X-Authentication-Warning: delorie.com: mail set sender to geda-user-bounces using -f X-Recipient: geda-user AT delorie DOT com X-Original-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:mail-followup-to:references :mime-version:content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to :user-agent; bh=fRiY8SVss21RwMkjseK1oijpFrVMuhm4hNOA8FOfTak=; b=jaj6Ny8NMC9ORw+hbBES551nHyA65MH6jsPHOeHrDtFV5M+TQZwZFSFUt+1i0jOyPm aMg8jf+3JBpGT1Kb3LDEy+RJv/t0wPo7WlcwGOeQfbuuRLQD/OaYiPzAlJ3Z4pWF3grK Yv8kMPlIc0GeUUoKPlDY6dSK3WXg6pbhf+h4D7+kl038zI5gWY3dMk6vr9pmy3e+X5FX CqYrxCQGRE/NjqHu3c3npS5Bi826WLTpsdnRAg3MyQe7PFvhvHxWnB5KEkQExamX2V5N vOacNT0QKWgrcPQu55s0ERSpUHJNxtr700hav9v2t3igQaSbzmkta6Df8QvMY11mg8uu iZEw== X-Received: by 10.112.161.232 with SMTP id xv8mr12424426lbb.123.1441542995136; Sun, 06 Sep 2015 05:36:35 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2015 15:36:33 +0300 From: "Vladimir Zhbanov (vzhbanov AT gmail DOT com) [via geda-user AT delorie DOT com]" To: "Vladimir Zhbanov (vzhbanov AT gmail DOT com) [via geda-user AT delorie DOT com]" Subject: Re: [geda-user] New experimental netlist features Message-ID: <20150906123633.GJ2637@localhost.localdomain> Mail-Followup-To: "Vladimir Zhbanov (vzhbanov AT gmail DOT com) [via geda-user AT delorie DOT com]" References: <55E9BD63 DOT 8070407 AT jump-ing DOT de> <201509051930 DOT t85JUlTh019874 AT envy DOT delorie DOT com> <20150905210158 DOT GC7185 AT localhost DOT localdomain> <201509052107 DOT t85L7sHL024299 AT envy DOT delorie DOT com> <20150905213959 DOT GE7185 AT localhost DOT localdomain> <20150906090700 DOT GE2637 AT localhost DOT localdomain> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) Reply-To: geda-user AT delorie DOT com Errors-To: nobody AT delorie DOT com X-Mailing-List: geda-user AT delorie DOT com X-Unsubscribes-To: listserv AT delorie DOT com Precedence: bulk On Sun, Sep 06, 2015 at 11:43:15AM +0200, gedau AT igor2 DOT repo DOT hu wrote: ... > >Fifth reason: people have no choice (what about scripts on any language > > you could run in gschem using the 'system' command or use them outside > > of gschem?) > > So why don't we have all the scheme stuff behind system() now? > Because scheme doesn't force a user to recompile anything in order to append any new functionality in this case. Moreover, any our program (gschem, gaf, gnetlist, gsymcheck, gschlas, probably others) have a guile built-in with all its possibilities (not all of them have interactive mode, though). > >Sixth reason: One Good Implementation is a wrong way (do we have at > >least one good implementation?) > > Claiming that One Good Implentation should exclusively exist is wrong. This > is totally independent on how many implementation we have at the moment and > how good they happen to be. Please don't bother, I was just a bit sarcastic. > > >Seventh reason: good support can be done for any language but scheme. > > That's totally the opposite of what I said. To prove my point, check gpmi, > even in pcb-rnd: it does support scheme. I even have example scripts written > in scheme. > > The point is: it doesn't limit you using scheme or any particular language. To be honest, I've never read anything about it. > ... > >Nineth reason: anything is better than scheme because it is truth (trust me). > > Never said that. Anything is better than scheme in my case. It seems to me > lately other users expressed similar statements. You can of course ignore > these opinions and say scheme is the best, but that won't be any more true > than my "truth" as you interpreted it above. Never said this. The best language is Elvish (though some people state it to be obsolete). > >The message is just: > > We don't like Scheme, we aren't going to learn it because we don't > > want, and therefore any language is better. > > > >Substitute Scheme for any other language (but C :)), and I can say > >almost the same about your preference. > > Yup, we were talking about personal preferences not about mathematical > proofs here. I don't know where I made a mistake in wording to make you > believe otherwise. :) No, we're talking about future of the project. > > Our preferences differ. Just as you publicly express your preference for > scheme, I publicly express my preference for other languages. What do you > think is wrong with this? Nothing related to your preferences. It's about who decides what should be done in the project. Cheers, Vladimir