On Thu, Jul 25, 2019 at 10:04 PM Torben Friis <friistf AT gmail DOT com> wrote:

Hi Erich,
I think that I have established my Linux OS OK and I = have executed "sudo apt-get install geda".

I have done:
torben AT torben-Aspire-E5-773G:~/gaf/myproject1$ sudo touch one.sch
t= orben AT torben-Aspire-E5-773G:~/gaf/myproject1$ sudo chmod 644 one.sch
tor= ben AT torben-Aspire-E5-773G:~/gaf/myproject1$ ls -l
total 0
-rw-r--r-- = 1 root root 0 Jul 25 21:21 one.sch
torben AT torben-Aspire-E5-773G:~/gaf/my= project1$ sudo gschem one.sch

I get the one.sch - gschem screen as e= xpected, but when I do Add-Component I get a very tiny symbol =C2=A0in spit= e of the symbol shown in Preview being normal size.

I then proceed t= o click "View-Zoom Extents" and I get a large symbol which I redu= ce in size (Shift-z) to make room for other symbols. When I add other symbo= ls they are normal size.

Is that the way to do it?

If I now d= o:
torben AT torben-Aspire-E5-773G:~/gaf/myproject1$ ls -l
total 8
-r= w-r--r-- 1 root root 719 Jul 25 21:54 one.sch
-r--r--r-- 1 root root =C2= =A013 Jul 25 21:43 one.sch~

Is that (one.sch~) OK?

Is there = a way to change the size of a single symbol?

That was a lot of quest= ions!
torben

On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 10:41 PM Torben Friis <friistf AT gmail DOT com>= ; wrote:

Hi Erich,
I have had to install the newest version of Ub= untu - it has taken some time to figure out that it was necessary..<= /div>
torben

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On Mon, Jul= 22, 2019 at 2:10 PM Erich Heinzle (a1039181 AT gmail DOT com) [via geda-help AT delorie DOT com] <geda-help AT delorie DOT com> = wrote:
Two possible errors come to mind.
If you look at the templates i linked to previousl= y, you can see how PCB is told about the element directory, which in your c= ase will be "pcb-elements", by the various ....rc files, and chec= k that yours are set up right.

You also need to ensure you have the footprint attributes attached t= o your device symbols in the schematic, as previously described, or PCB wil= l not know which footprints are needed when parsing the netlist

Regards,
Erich.
On Mon, 22 Jul 2019 20:55 Torben = Friis (friistf AT gmail DOT com) [via geda-help AT delorie DOT com], <ged= a-help AT delorie DOT com> wrote:
Hi Erich,
That helped a lot!
I now have:

ls /home/torben/gaf/gsch= em-sym
2_SCREW_CONNECTOR.sym =C2=A03_SCREW_CONNECTOR.sym =C2=A0PICAXE-14= M.sym
ls /home/torben/gaf/pcb-elements
DIP14.fp = =C2=A0mors_2p.fp =C2=A0mors_3p.fp

For Add-Component I get:
>
local
> Basic devices
.
.<= /div>
.

and when i double-click the empty space at the top, I get:

2_SCREW_CONNECTOR.sym
3_SCREW_CONNECTOR.sym
PICAXE-14M

Now I am supposed to enter= :

gschem one.sch
=

When I do I get error messa= ges about a missing one.sch and the curser goes to the next line. Actually = that is not surprising considering that that one.sch does not yet exist.
When I then fill in the schema and run /home/torben/g= af/myproject3/gsch2pcb project I get the error message:

No elements found, so nothing to do.

I have saved one.sch so t= hat is another surprise - can you help?
best regard= s
torben

=

<= br>

=
On Sun, Jul 21, 2019 at 1:14 AM Erich= Heinzle (a1039181 AT gmail DOT com) [via geda-help AT d= elorie.com] <geda-help AT delorie DOT com> wrote:
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Rather than learning to read the x and y coordinates in=C2=A0
Pin[-20000 0 11810 2000 12610 4920 "0" "_1= _" "square"] Pin[0 0 11810 2000 12610 4920 "0" "_2_" ""] Pin[20000 0 11810 2000 12610 4920 "0" "_3_" ""= ;]
The simplest thing is to open the footprint file in the layout editor= and use the cursor and or the measure function to determine distances.

If you want to learn about = the format, I recommend

= http://www.ssalewski.de/PcbFootprintRef.txt

Regards,

Erich

On Sun, 21 Jul 20= 19 06:37 Torben Friis (friistf AT gmail DOT com) [via geda-help AT delorie DOT com], <geda-help AT delorie DOT com> wrote:
Hi Erich,
Where do I find the hole spacing and t= he hole size in you fp:

Element["" "N MORS 3P " "" ""= ; 0 0 0 -23000 0 100 ""] ( ElementLine[-30000 18000 -30000 14000 1000] ElementLine[-30000 14000 30000 14000 1000] ElementLine[30000 14000 30000 18000 1000] ElementLine[30000 18000 -30000 18000 1000] ElementLine[-30000 -18000 -30000 -15000 1000] ElementLine[-30000 -18000 30000 -18000 1000] ElementLine[30000 -18000 30000 -15000 1000] ElementLine[-30000 15000 -30000 -15000 1000] ElementLine[30000 15000 30000 -15000 1000] Pin[-20000 0 11810 2000 12610 4920 "0" "_1_" "squa= re"] Pin[0 0 11810 2000 12610 4920 "0" "_2_" ""] Pin[20000 0 11810 2000 12610 4920 "0" "_3_" ""= ;] )
best regards
torben

=
On Sat, Ju= l 20, 2019 at 2:25 PM Erich Heinzle (a1039= 181 AT gmail DOT com) [via geda-help AT delor= ie.com] <geda-help AT delorie DOT com> wrote:
Good work on the file system.
<= br>
I usually create a project directory and put my = usual/frequently used footprints in the packages or fp subdirectory, depend= ing on the naming convention in the template being used.

The main thing is to ensure that the=C2=A0= screw terminals you are using are spaced 0.2 inches apart. The hole and an= nulus sizes can be easily modified in the layout editor, but pin spacing is= harder to modify in an existing footprint. You should always check that fo= otprints you source from elsewhere have sane annuli and hole sizes before s= ending off the board for fabrication.

You are right, any three pin symbol can map to a three pin fo= otprint, provided that the pin labels on the footprint are sane. Sometimes = imported symbols like the one you mention need to have the pin name changed= to "1" instead of "_1_" etc... To make the netlist beh= ave when imported into the layout editor.

Regards,

Erich

On Sat, 20 Jul 2019 19:22= Torben Friis (friistf AT gmail DOT com) [via = geda-help AT delorie DOT com], <geda-help AT delorie DOT com> wrote:
=
Hi Erich Hein= zle,
I solved the immediate problem by changing the file system to:.
=

/home/torben/gaf/gschem-sym
/home/torben/gaf/pcb-elements
/ho= me/torben/.gEDA/gafrc
(cat /home/torben/.gEDA/gafrc
(component-librar= y-search "/home/torben/gaf/gschem-sym")

but I will setup m= y system as you have set up yours.

I need to have some screw termina= ls set up and I found yours:

/user/erich_heinzle/kicad/footprints/w_= conn_screw.mod/mors_3p.fp

I could not find the corresponding sym fil= e. Is there one?

I suppose I can use any(!) sym file as long as I se= t footprint to mors_3p.fp in the sym file and enter /user/erich_heinzle/kic= ad/footprints/w_conn_screw.mod/mors_3p.fp in the /home/torben/gaf/pcb-eleme= nts file?

The pins in my screw terminals are =C3=B8 1 mm - is that O= K with mors_3p.fp (I dont know how to read a fp-file)?

best regards<= br>torben

On Sat, Jul 20, 2019 at 1:09 AM Erich Heinzle (a1039181 AT gmail DOT com) [via geda-help AT delorie DOT com] <geda-help AT delorie DOT com> wrote:
=
Most users, myself included, set up a template, for a per= -project directory, which has the needed gafrc etc files, and subdirectorie= s with their local foorprints and symbols.

This keeps a given design safe from filesystem changes o= r changes to elements subsequently.

It also means that once set up, it doesn't need to be thoug= ht about much.

Here are = some examples on github which should show you how to aim the layout editor = at a partucular directory, i.e. "fp" or "packages" in t= hese examples

https://github.com/miloh= /gEDA-git-template

https://github.= com/nocko/gEDA-template

https://= github.com/wojciechk8/geda-sym

These examples should show you how it can be done

Erich.

On Sat, 20 Jul 2019 = 01:16 Torben Friis (friistf AT gmai= l.com) [via geda-help AT de= lorie.com], <geda-hel= p AT delorie DOT com> wrote:
Hi Erich Heinzie,
I think so. If I may reformul= ate it to show that I understand:
The PICAXE14M.sym file contains a stat= ement: footprint unknown. When I enter the symbol on the schematic I add th= e footprint attribute DIP14. The PCB program then picks it up from tha Symb= ol file and find the DIP14 footprint from /home/gaf/pcb-elements.

Th= en the files:
/home/gaf/gschem-sym
(ls /home/gaf/gschem-sym
PICAXE= -14M.sym)

/home/gaf/pcb-elements
(ls /home/gaf/pcb-elements
DI= P14.fp)

/home/.gEDA/gafrc
(cat /home/.gEDA/gafrc
(component-li= brary-search "/home/gaf/gschem-sym")

should do the job?
But then, when I have filled in the files, how do I make the PICAXE14M= .sym appear correctly in the add->component list?:

> Basic dev= ices
> Connectors (generic)
.
.
.

I want to understan= d the stuff completely and really appreciate your help.
best regards
= torben

On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 12:41 PM Erich Heinzle (a1039181 AT gmail DOT com) [via geda-help AT delorie DOT com] <geda-help= @delorie.com> wrote:
In general, gschem is unaware of footprint fi= le names, or the details of any other attributes you attach to a symbol fro= m a symbol library

The usual p= rocedure, after adding your symbol to the schematic from a library, is to a= dd an "attribute" to the symbol, in this case a "footprint&q= uot; attribute, equal to "DIP14"

The schematic file will end up with an ectra attribute w= ithin the picaxe instance, along the libes of

"footprint=3DDIP18"
=
The PCB layout editor, when you proceed to lay = out uour design, is the software that has an understanding of footprint att= ributes, and will search its library paths for a DIP18=C2=A0

Does that=C2=A0help?

Erich

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On Fri, 19 Jul 2019 18:51 Torben Friis (friistf AT gmail DOT com) [via = geda-help AT delorie= .com], <ge= da-help AT delorie DOT com> wrote:
Hi Erich Heinzie,
It should have been:
=

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= /home/gaf/DIP14.fp

and
(component-library-search "/home/gaf/gschem-sym") in the /hom= e/.gEDA/gafrc file

I still have the problem of having PICAXE14M not showing up in the libr= aries list.

Whe= n in ht= tp://www.gedasymbols.org/ i search for screw terminal I get a lot of .f= p files, but no .sym files. How should they be handled?
It is rather confusing.
best regards
torben

On Thu, Jul 18, 2019 at 11:44 = AM Torben Friis <friistf AT gmail DOT com> wrote:
Hi Erich Heinzie,
After following= your advice (a long time ago) I have the following:

/home/gaf/gsche= m-sym/PICAXE-14M.sym
/home/gaf/pcb-elements/SIP3.fp
(component-library-search "../gschem-sym"= ) in the /home/.gEDA$/gafrc file

Should not PICAXE-14M show up in Libraries when I click A= dd->Component in gEDA schmatic?
best regards
torben

On Fri, Feb 15, 2019 at 9:19 PM Erich Heinz= le (a1039= 181 AT gmail DOT com) [via geda-help AT delorie DOT com] <geda-help AT delorie DOT com> wr= ote:
http://www.gedasymbols.org= /user/erich_heinzle/symbols/PICAXE-14M.sym?dl

The above link will download the raw symbol file as a .= sym for use in the gschem schematic editor

The DIP14 footprint required in the pcb layout editor wi= ll be a .fp file and the raw file can be downloaded from

http://www.gedasymbol= s.org/footprints/m4lib/DIP14.fp?dl

You can place the respective files in the same directory= as your schematic and pcb layout, but most people will use dedicated direc= tories in their project directory for symbols and for footprints.

Regards,
<= br>
Erich

On Fri, 15 Feb 2019 02:34 Torben Friis (friistf AT gmail DOT com) [via geda-hel= p AT delorie DOT com] <geda-help AT delorie DOT com wrote:
Hi,
I found = DIP14:

torben AT torben-Aspire-E5-773G:~$ cat /home/torben/gEDAsym
http://www.gedasymbols.org/footprints/m4lib.cgi?g= eda=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 <here

http://www.gedasymbols.org/cvs.html

It looks different fro= m your file if I view it..

Where should I store the file you sent (if = it is the file I should store)?
torben

On Thu, Feb 14, 2019= at 3:26 PM Chad Parker (parker DOT charles AT gmail DOT com) [via ge= da-help AT delorie DOT com] <geda-help AT delorie DOT com> wrote:
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http://www.gedasymbols.org/user/erich_heinzle/symbols/PICAXE-1= 4M.sym

It looks like the package i= s a 14-pin DIP, so "DIP14" should work as the footprint.

Cheers,
--Chad

On Thu, Feb 14, 2019 at 9:11 AM Torben Friis (friistf AT g= mail.com) [via geda-help AT delorie DOT com] <geda-help AT delor= ie.com> wrote:
Hi ,
I have been looking fo the above element, but I cann= ot find it. I have been looking for .../newlib and found it in two places, = but neither one appeared to provide it.
Is there anywhere else I can look f= or it?
torben