Hi Erich,

Where do I find the hole spacing and the hole size in you fp:

Element["&quo=
t; "N MORS 3P " "" "" 0 0 0 -23000 0 100 &quo=
t;"]
(
ElementLine[-30000 18000 -30000 14000 1000]
ElementLine[-30000 14000 30000 14000 1000]
ElementLine[30000 14000 30000 18000 1000]
ElementLine[30000 18000 -30000 18000 1000]
ElementLine[-30000 -18000 -30000 -15000 1000]
ElementLine[-30000 -18000 30000 -18000 1000]
ElementLine[30000 -18000 30000 -15000 1000]
ElementLine[-30000 15000 -30000 -15000 1000]
ElementLine[30000 15000 30000 -15000 1000]
Pin[-20000 0 11810 2000 12610 4920 "0" "_1_" "squa=
re"]
Pin[0 0 11810 2000 12610 4920 "0" "_2_" ""]
Pin[20000 0 11810 2000 12610 4920 "0" "_3_" ""=
;]
)

best regards

torben

On Sat, Ju= l 20, 2019 at 2:25 PM Erich Heinzle (a1039181 AT gmail DOT com) [via geda-help AT delorie DOT com] <geda-help AT delorie DOT com>= wrote:

Good work on the file system.
I usually create a project directory and put my usual/= frequently used footprints in the packages or fp subdirectory, depending on= the naming convention in the template being used.
<= br>
The main thing is to ensure that the=C2=A0 screw= terminals you are using are spaced 0.2 inches apart. The hole and annulus = sizes can be easily modified in the layout editor, but pin spacing is harde= r to modify in an existing footprint. You should always check that footprin= ts you source from elsewhere have sane annuli and hole sizes before sending= off the board for fabrication.

You are right, any three pin symbol can map to a three pin footpr= int, provided that the pin labels on the footprint are sane. Sometimes impo= rted symbols like the one you mention need to have the pin name changed to = "1" instead of "_1_" etc... To make the netlist behave = when imported into the layout editor.

Regards,
Erich
On Sat, 20 Jul 2019 19:22 T= orben Friis (friistf= @gmail.com) [via geda-help AT delorie DOT com], <geda-help AT delorie DOT com> wrote:
Hi Erich Heinzle,
= I solved the immediate problem by changing the file system to:.

= /home/torben/gaf/gschem-sym
/home/torben/gaf/pcb-elements
/home/torbe= n/.gEDA/gafrc
(cat /home/torben/.gEDA/gafrc
(component-library-search= "/home/torben/gaf/gschem-sym")

but I will setup my system= as you have set up yours.

I need to have some screw terminals set u= p and I found yours:

/user/erich_heinzle/kicad/footprints/w_conn_scr= ew.mod/mors_3p.fp

I could not find the corresponding sym file. Is th= ere one?

I suppose I can use any(!) sym file as long as I set footpr= int to mors_3p.fp in the sym file and enter /user/erich_heinzle/kicad/footp= rints/w_conn_screw.mod/mors_3p.fp in the /home/torben/gaf/pcb-elements file= ?

The pins in my screw terminals are =C3=B8 1 mm - is that OK with m= ors_3p.fp (I dont know how to read a fp-file)?

best regards
torbe= n

On Sat, Jul 20, 2019 at 1:09 AM Erich Heinzle (a1039181 AT gmail DOT com) [via geda-help AT delorie DOT com] <geda-help AT delorie DOT com>= wrote:
Most users, myself included, set up a template,= for a per-project directory, which has the needed gafrc etc files, and sub= directories with their local foorprints and symbols.

This keeps a given design safe from filesystem= changes or changes to elements subsequently.

It also means that once set up, it doesn't need t= o be thought about much.

Here are some examples on github which should show you how to aim the layo= ut editor at a partucular directory, i.e. "fp" or "packages&= quot; in these examples

= https://github.com/miloh/gEDA-git-template

https://github.com= /nocko/gEDA-template

https://github.com/wojciechk8/geda-sym

These examples should show you how= it can be done

Erich.

On Sat, 20 Jul 2019 01:16 Torben Friis (friistf AT gmail DOT com) [via g= eda-help AT delorie DOT com], <geda-help AT delorie DOT com> wrote:
<= /div>
Hi Erich= Heinzie,
I think so. If I may reformulate it to show that I understand:=
The PICAXE14M.sym file contains a statement: footprint unknown. When I = enter the symbol on the schematic I add the footprint attribute DIP14. The = PCB program then picks it up from tha Symbol file and find the DIP14 footpr= int from /home/gaf/pcb-elements.

Then the files:
/home/gaf/gschem= -sym
(ls /home/gaf/gschem-sym
PICAXE-14M.sym)

/home/gaf/pcb-el= ements
(ls /home/gaf/pcb-elements
DIP14.fp)

/home/.gEDA/gafrc<= br>(cat /home/.gEDA/gafrc
(component-library-search "/home/gaf/gsch= em-sym")

should do the job?

But then, when I have filled= in the files, how do I make the PICAXE14M.sym appear correctly in the add-= >component list?:

> Basic devices
> Connectors (generic)=
.
.
.

I want to understand the stuff completely and really= appreciate your help.
best regards
torben

On Fri, Jul 19, 2019= at 12:41 PM Erich Heinzle (a1039181 AT gmail DOT com) [via geda-help AT delorie DOT com] <geda-help AT delorie DOT com> wrote:
In general, gschem is unaware of footprint file names, or t= he details of any other attributes you attach to a symbol from a symbol lib= rary

The usual procedure, afte= r adding your symbol to the schematic from a library, is to add an "at= tribute" to the symbol, in this case a "footprint" attribute= , equal to "DIP14"

The schematic file will end up with an ectra attribute within the pica= xe instance, along the libes of

"footprint=3DDIP18"

The PCB layout editor, when you proceed to lay out uour des= ign, is the software that has an understanding of footprint attributes, and= will search its library paths for a DIP18=C2=A0
Does that=C2=A0help?

Erich

On Fri, 19 Jul 2019 18:51 Torben Friis (friistf AT g= mail.com) [via geda-help AT delorie DOT com], <geda-help AT delorie DOT com> wrote:
Hi Erich Heinzie,
It should have been:=

/home/gaf/DIP14.fp

and
(component-library-search "/= home/gaf/gschem-sym") in the /home/.gEDA/gafrc file

I= still have the problem of having PICAXE14M not showing up in the libraries= list.

When in http://www.gedasymb= ols.org/ i search for screw terminal I get a lot of .fp files, but no .= sym files. How should they be handled?
It is rather confusing.=
best regards
torben

<= /div>

On Thu, Jul 18, 2019 at 11:44 AM Torben Friis <friistf AT gmail DOT com> wrote:
Hi Erich Heinzie,
After following your advice= (a long time ago) I have the following:

/home/gaf/gschem-sym/PICAXE-1= 4M.sym
/home/gaf/pcb-elements/SIP3.fp
(component-library-search ".= ./gschem-sym") in the /home/.gEDA$/gafrc file

Should= not PICAXE-14M show up in Libraries when I click Add->Component in gEDA= schmatic?
best regards
torben

On = Fri, Feb 15, 2019 at 9:19 PM Erich Heinzle (a1039181@= gmail.com) [via geda-help AT delorie DOT com] <= ;geda-help AT delorie DOT com> wrote:
http://www.g= edasymbols.org/user/erich_heinzle/symbols/PICAXE-14M.sym?dl

The above link will download the raw symb= ol file as a .sym for use in the gschem schematic editor

The DIP14 footprint required in the pcb la= yout editor will be a .fp file and the raw file can be downloaded from

http://www.gedasymbols.org/footprints/m4lib/DIP14.f= p?dl

You can pla= ce the respective files in the same directory as your schematic and pcb lay= out, but most people will use dedicated directories in their project direct= ory for symbols and for footprints.

Regards,

Eri= ch

On Fri, 15 Feb = 2019 02:34 Torben Friis (friistf AT gmail DOT com) [via <= a href=3D"mailto:geda-help AT delorie DOT com" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer norefe= rrer" target=3D"_blank">geda-help AT delorie DOT com] <geda-help AT delorie DOT com wrote:
Hi,
I found DIP14:
=

<= /div>
= torben AT torben-Aspire-E5-773G:~$ cat /home/torben/gEDAsym
http://www.gedasymbols.org/foo= tprints/m4lib.cgi?geda=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 &l= t;here

http://www.gedasym= bols.org/cvs.html

It looks different from your file if I view it..=

Where should I store the file you sent (if it is the file I should st= ore)?
torben

On Thu, Feb 14, 2019 at 3:26 PM Chad Parker (= parker DOT charles AT gmail DOT com) [via <= a href=3D"mailto:geda-help AT delorie DOT com" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer norefe= rrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">geda-help AT delorie DOT com] <geda-help AT delorie DOT com> wrote:
=

http://www.gedasymbols.org/user/erich_= heinzle/symbols/PICAXE-14M.sym

It = looks like the package is a 14-pin DIP, so "DIP14" should work as= the footprint.

Cheers,
= --Chad

On Thu, Feb 14, 2019 at 9:11 AM = Torben Friis (friistf AT gmail DOT com) [via <= a href=3D"mailto:geda-help AT delorie DOT com" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer norefe= rrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">geda-help AT delorie DOT com] <geda-help AT delorie DOT com> wrote:
=
Hi ,
I have b= een looking fo the above element, but I cannot find it. I have been looking= for .../newlib and found it in two places, but neither one appeared to pro= vide it.
Is there anywhere else I can look for it?
torben