X-Authentication-Warning: delorie.com: mail set sender to djgpp-bounces using -f From: themouse Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.djgpp Subject: Re: Status of DJGPP Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 07:05:34 -0700 (PDT) Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 60 Message-ID: References: <200903161615 DOT n2GGF4Wl014905 AT envy DOT delorie DOT com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.83.80.194 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: posting.google.com 1237298734 29538 127.0.0.1 (17 Mar 2009 14:05:34 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse AT google DOT com NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 14:05:34 +0000 (UTC) Complaints-To: groups-abuse AT google DOT com Injection-Info: z9g2000yqi.googlegroups.com; posting-host=209.83.80.194; posting-account=mk-1hQoAAABRHA7wwAt_3thfjpGkh8Qu User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 7.0; Windows NT 5.1; GTB5; .NET CLR 1.1.4322; .NET CLR 2.0.50727; MS-RTC LM 8; InfoPath.2; .NET CLR 3.0.4506.2152; .NET CLR 3.5.30729),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) To: djgpp AT delorie DOT com DJ-Gateway: from newsgroup comp.os.msdos.djgpp Reply-To: djgpp AT delorie DOT com > > We're not adding new features, unless someone volunteers to do so. > Volunteers are rare, and I'm personally not good enough. =A0 :-/ Niether am I yet. Lots of the links to the information I need to do dos programming are dead. Anyone have any good links, pdfs text documents on dos programming? > FreeDOS-32 kinda stagnated, but it compiles with DJGPP (and was > intended to at least run DJGPP apps). Somebody starting that up again > or polishing it up would be nice. Allegro is another project that > could be revived (although that's worse because they've dropped DOS > support since 4.2.2 or so). MAME is another one (ever since 0.100). > Actually, it seems lots of DOS projects are just abandoned for no good > reason. I don't personally understand that since DOS + DJGPP can still > do plenty of useful things. Is there a way to consolidate the code and hunt for new qualified talent. Perhaps a new site which can host all the dos projects that have been abandoned. and the software and source code for what we can get. If we build it they will come?? :P I have my own web hosting company and could host a website. I have been looking at Allegro, is the source code available? Is this the only graphics library. Are there any OpenGL libraries that can be used. > Well, with x86-64 already having been around for five years, and RAM > steadily increasing (2 GB or more seems to be default amount in new > computers ... slowly creeping towards the dreaded 4 GB limit), that > won't help us (as you already know). Even Windows' NTVDM being buggy / > very limited cripples peoples' interest in DJGPP. Sad but true. > Thankfully, FreeDOS and DOSBox and DOSEMU and QEMU etc. exist, but > that apparently isn't enough to get more people interested. (FreeDOS > in particular could use a lot more volunteers.) I would love to do some work with this, but even though I have been a programmer for 13 years I still no nothing about lower (OS and hardware) level development. Assembly language? Not a clue. I was thinking a good desktop though would start me down that path. :) I am sure I am going to run into issues that require fixes. easier to learn thing when I have a direct problem to solve. :) > > Actually, there are several GUIs already for DJGPP, so it shouldn't be > hard finding examples or inspiration. Good luck! Don't try to do too > much at first (or you'll get overwhelmed), but do keep the dream alive! Most of them too have stagnated. I was thinking though that a new one based on xwindows would revive dos a little. Not a complete rewrite of all of x and a window manager. but maybe a simpler one that is still compliant. I work on another project for a game engine but DOS has a special place in my hear. Ever since I got my first 286 and changed my command prompt to Master What Is Thy Bidding>