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From: al davis <ad252 AT freeelectron DOT net>
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Subject: Re: [geda-user] Freerouting finally free (GPL3)
Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2014 00:13:32 -0400
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On Thursday 03 April 2014, Stefan Salewski wrote:
> Have you verified that the specctra format can be freely used
> without legal issues?

Nothing patentable there.

Reverse engineer it from Freerouting code.

> I was looking for format description about two years ago,
> when I started my own toporouter -- and that time I found
> format description only on a russian site. I think that the
> owner of that format is not the big company with the broken
> fruit, so risk of legal issues is not that great. But there
> may be a risk still.

The owner is Cadence.

> In my opinion benefit of specctra format for PCB is not that
> big -- do we really intent to use free tools for schematic
> and PCB, and then use a commercial router?

People use hybrid systems all the time.  

Until now, one major disadvantage of kicad was the need for a 
proprietary router that could only be accessed by the web.  To 
me, that was a fatal disadvantage.  That disadvantage has been 
replaced by an advantage.  Not only does it have a non-
proprietary router, it gives you a choice.

> (Seems to me as
> strange as using free open source tools on commercial
> operating system.) I do not know something about the router
> of Alfons Wirtz -- if it really is good and GPL now, it may
> be possible to make it compatible with PCB data format. 

The router in PCB now is not that great.

Using a standard format, even if only a defacto standard, allows 
a choice of routers and a common point between kicad and PCB.  
It also makes hooks for simulation easier.

> (I
> have to admit that I have not really big hope for his router
> -- he has not worked on it in the last 5 years himself, and
> I wonder if his code is really well written and documented?)

You can look.  It's written in Java.

> An other approach may be to write a converter from PCB
> format to KiCAD format, that would cover specctra format
> export and at the some time the KiCad push&shove router.

That's funny.  Acknowledging the kicad format as standard?

A better idea is to choose a common format equally 
native/foreign to both.  If properly done it could make it 
possible to migrate between them which would enhance both.

.. a common format used by ALL. .. that could be a migration 
path.

For a PCB layout program to not support specctra format is a 
mistake almost as big as for a circuit simulator to not support 
SPICE format.



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