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From: "Chad Parker (parker DOT charles AT gmail DOT com) [via geda-help AT delorie DOT com]" <geda-help AT delorie DOT com>
Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2019 18:09:53 -0400
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Subject: Re: [geda-help] Question: New User - How To Create Very Simple Unique
PCB With No Components
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Vias can be made to connect to any layer you want, or not. On unconnected
layers, the polygon will put a hole around the via to prevent electrical
connection.

On Mon, Oct 21, 2019, 18:04 John L. Males (jlmales AT gmail DOT com) [via
geda-help AT delorie DOT com] <geda-help AT delorie DOT com> wrote:

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> Hello Erich,
>
> That explains a few things that were odd.  First the area I
> created was a rectangle.  It would appear the polygon hole tool
> may be behaving odd as I am trying to use it in a rectangular
> area.  Though a rectangle is a polygon, but maybe the software
> does not agree.
>
> I cannot use a via as the top and bottom copper sides have to
> be electrically separate.  My understating of a via is is a via
> connects to all layers of a board.  That would still mean for a
> two layer board the top and bottom layer would be connected with
> a via.
>
>
> John L. Males
> Toronto, Ontario
> Canada
> 21 October 2019 17:38 -0400 EDT
>
>
> ================================================================
>
> 2019-10-21 21:33:40+0000-UTC Time: 1571693620 PC/System time
>
> 21 Oct 21:33:40 ntpdate[13536]: ntpdate 4.2.8p12-a (1)
>
> 21 Oct 21:33:54 ntpdate[13646]: step time server 132.246.11.238
> offset 0.014174 sec
>
> FreeBSD 11.3-STABLE FreeBSD 11.3-STABLE #0 r349903: Thu Jul 11
> 16:13:47 UTC 2019
> root AT releng2 DOT nyi DOT freebsd DOT org:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC
>
> (Work in progress alternative to Linux Kernel of its own right,
>  Debian, and
>  other Linux based Kernel distributions determined.)
>
> Intel(R) Core(TM) i3-2367M CPU @ 1.40GHz
> Intel(R) Core(TM) i3-2367M CPU @ 1.40GHz (1396.86-MHz K8-class
> CPU) Intel(R) Core(TM) i3-2367M CPU @ 1.40GHz (1396.86-MHz
> K8-class CPU) Intel(R) Core(TM) i3-2367M CPU @ 1.40GHz
> (1396.86-MHz K8-class CPU) Intel(R) Core(TM) i3-2367M CPU @
> 1.40GHz (1396.86-MHz K8-class CPU) Intel(R) Core(TM) i3-2367M
> CPU @ 1.40GHz (1396.86-MHz K8-class CPU)
>
> dev.cpu.0.temperature: 67.0C
> dev.cpu.1.temperature: 68.0C
> dev.cpu.2.temperature: 65.0C
> dev.cpu.3.temperature: 64.0C
> hw.acpi.thermal.tz0.temperature: 67.1C
>
> vmstat -s:
>
>  17782318 cpu context switches
>    752615 device interrupts
>    182270 software interrupts
>  10430751 traps
>  86650963 system calls
>        27 kernel threads created
>      2826  fork() calls
>       458 vfork() calls
>         0 rfork() calls
>         0 swap pager pageins
>         0 swap pager pages paged in
>         0 swap pager pageouts
>         0 swap pager pages paged out
>      5990 vnode pager pageins
>     72660 vnode pager pages paged in
>       159 vnode pager pageouts
>      3112 vnode pager pages paged out
>         0 page daemon wakeups
>   4115112 pages examined by the page daemon
>         0 clean page reclamation shortfalls
>         0 pages reactivated by the page daemon
>    144631 copy-on-write faults
>      1073 copy-on-write optimized faults
>   8379145 zero fill pages zeroed
>         0 zero fill pages prezeroed
>        37 intransit blocking page faults
>  10566105 total VM faults taken
>      8565 page faults requiring I/O
>         0 pages affected by kernel thread creation
>    135543 pages affected by  fork()
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>      4096 bytes per page
>   1445115 total name lookups
>           cache hits (92% pos + 4% neg) system 0% per-directory
>           deletions 0%, falsehits 0%, toolong 0%
>
> Boot time : 1571687893
>
> procs     memory        page                    disks
> faults        cpu0     cpu1     cpu2     cpu3 r b w     avm
> fre  flt  re  pi  po    fr   sr ad0 pa0   in    sy    cs us sy
> id us sy id us sy id us sy id 0 0 0 26911784 4506004 1840   0
> 1   0  1618  717   0   0  131 15091  3097  7  3 90  7  3 90  7
> 3 90  7  3 90
>
> memory info:
>
> real memory  = 8589934592 (8192 MB)
> avail memory = 8166465536 (7788 MB)
>
> last pid: 15327;  load averages:  0.58,  0.39,  0.35  up
> 0+01:35:42    21:33:55 56 processes:  1 running, 55 sleeping
>
> Mem: 1576M Active, 1138M Inact, 58M Laundry, 671M Wired, 245M
> Buf, 4400M Free Swap: 48G Total, 48G Free
>
> hw.physmem: 8463925248
> hw.usermem: 7760547840
> hw.realmem: 8589934592
>
>              total       used       free     shared
> buffers     cached Mem:       8030732    2359544
> 5671188          0          0          0 Swap:
> 50331644          0   50331644
>
> swapinfo:
>
> Device          1K-blocks     Used    Avail Capacity
> /dev/ada0s1b     50331644        0 50331644     0%
>
> vmstat:
>
> procs     memory        page                    disks
> faults         cpu r b w     avm     fre  flt  re  pi  po
> fr   sr ad0 pa0   in    sy    cs us sy id 0 0 0 26911768
> 4505984 1841   0   1   0  1619  717   0   0  131 15093  3097
> 7  3 90
>
>
> Message replied to:
>
> Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2019 20:17:51 +1030
> From: "Erich Heinzle (a1039181 AT gmail DOT com) [via
> geda-help AT delorie DOT com]" <geda-help AT delorie DOT com> To: "Vladimir
> Zhbanov (vzhbanov AT gmail DOT com) [via geda-help AT delorie DOT com]"
> <geda-help AT delorie DOT com> Subject: Re: [geda-help] Question: New
> User - How To Create Very Simple Unique PCB With No Components
>
>
> > The aperture made in a polygon with polygon hole tool will
> > also be a polygon. I assumed you'd be making vent holes that
> > are rectangular. A large via turned into a hole may do the
> > same job for you, if you want a round vent hole
> >
> > regards,
> >
> > Erich
> >
> > On Mon, 21 Oct 2019 13:39 John L. Males (jlmales AT gmail DOT com)
> > [via geda-help AT delorie DOT com], <geda-help AT delorie DOT com> wrote:
> >
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> > >
> > > Hello Erich,
> > >
> > > I have tried the make hole in polygon via the toolbar.  It
> > > seems not to make round holes or I am just not using
> > > correctly.  I have tried using this make hole in polygon
> > > several times the last few days.  It may be that hole does
> > > not mean round based on how I have tried to use the
> > > function.
> > >
> > > I have been looking at how parts in the library are made.  I
> > > have not found enough details of this yet to attempt making
> > > a air hole part, or more likely hole set 3(wide)x6(long)
> > > for the copper area of sensor board I am trying to make a
> > > PCB for. With a part I can ensure all holes are spaced and
> > > sized the exact same way.  I have a few variations of the
> > > sensor board I like to design, so having a part for the air
> > > flow holes.
> > >
> > > I also likely need to make parts for different number of
> > > screw terminals and different sizes for screw terminal
> > > blocks.
> > >
> > >
> > > John L. Males
> > > Toronto, Ontario
> > > Canada
> > > 20 October 2019 22:44 -0400 EDT
> > >
> > >
> > > ================================================================
> > >
> > > 2019-10-21 02:33:29+0000-UTC Time: 1571625209 PC/System time
> > >
> > > 21 Oct 02:33:29 ntpdate[23707]: ntpdate 4.2.8p12-a (1)
> > >
> > > 21 Oct 02:33:45 ntpdate[25599]: step time server
> > > 35.183.57.169 offset 0.001036 sec
> > >
> > > FreeBSD 11.3-STABLE FreeBSD 11.3-STABLE #0 r349903: Thu Jul
> > > 11 16:13:47 UTC 2019
> > > root AT releng2 DOT nyi DOT freebsd DOT org:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC
> > >
> > > (Work in progress alternative to Linux Kernel of its own
> > > right, Debian, and
> > >  other Linux based Kernel distributions determined.)
> > >
> > > Intel(R) Core(TM) i3-2367M CPU @ 1.40GHz
> > > Intel(R) Core(TM) i3-2367M CPU @ 1.40GHz (1396.86-MHz
> > > K8-class CPU) Intel(R) Core(TM) i3-2367M CPU @ 1.40GHz
> > > (1396.86-MHz K8-class CPU) Intel(R) Core(TM) i3-2367M CPU @
> > > 1.40GHz (1396.86-MHz K8-class CPU) Intel(R) Core(TM)
> > > i3-2367M CPU @ 1.40GHz (1396.86-MHz K8-class CPU) Intel(R)
> > > Core(TM) i3-2367M CPU @ 1.40GHz (1396.86-MHz K8-class CPU)
> > >
> > > dev.cpu.0.temperature: 68.0C
> > > dev.cpu.1.temperature: 68.0C
> > > dev.cpu.2.temperature: 64.0C
> > > dev.cpu.3.temperature: 63.0C
> > > hw.acpi.thermal.tz0.temperature: 67.1C
> > >
> > > vmstat -s:
> > >
> > > 128148525 cpu context switches
> > >   6594426 device interrupts
> > >   1140464 software interrupts
> > >  27350639 traps
> > > 498775320 system calls
> > >        27 kernel threads created
> > >      3323  fork() calls
> > >      1057 vfork() calls
> > >         0 rfork() calls
> > >         0 swap pager pageins
> > >         0 swap pager pages paged in
> > >         0 swap pager pageouts
> > >         0 swap pager pages paged out
> > >     10431 vnode pager pageins
> > >    134839 vnode pager pages paged in
> > >       489 vnode pager pageouts
> > >      7512 vnode pager pages paged out
> > >         0 page daemon wakeups
> > >  13304337 pages examined by the page daemon
> > >         0 clean page reclamation shortfalls
> > >         0 pages reactivated by the page daemon
> > >    285997 copy-on-write faults
> > >      8249 copy-on-write optimized faults
> > >  15484848 zero fill pages zeroed
> > >      7381 zero fill pages prezeroed
> > >        45 intransit blocking page faults
> > >  27568989 total VM faults taken
> > >     17970 page faults requiring I/O
> > >         0 pages affected by kernel thread creation
> > >    219177 pages affected by  fork()
> > >     38949 pages affected by vfork()
> > >         0 pages affected by rfork()
> > >  20724523 pages freed
> > >         0 pages freed by daemon
> > >   7108958 pages freed by exiting processes
> > >    287566 pages active
> > >    949024 pages inactive
> > >     76999 pages in the laundry queue
> > >    288726 pages wired down
> > >    405416 pages free
> > >      4096 bytes per page
> > >   4563245 total name lookups
> > >           cache hits (93% pos + 3% neg) system 0%
> > > per-directory deletions 0%, falsehits 0%, toolong 0%
> > >
> > > Boot time : 1571592669
> > >
> > > procs     memory        page                    disks
> > > faults        cpu0     cpu1     cpu2     cpu3 r b w     avm
> > > fre  flt  re  pi  po    fr   sr ad0 pa0   in    sy    cs us
> > > sy id us sy id us sy id us sy id 0 0 0 29925660 1621604
> > > 847   0 0   0   637  409   0   0  203 15321  3936  7  4 88
> > > 8  3 89  8 3 89  8  3 89
> > >
> > > memory info:
> > >
> > > real memory  = 8589934592 (8192 MB)
> > > avail memory = 8166465536 (7788 MB)
> > >
> > > last pid: 35247;  load averages:  0.92,  0.98,  0.93  up
> > > 0+09:02:36    02:33:45 60 processes:  1 running, 59 sleeping
> > >
> > > Mem: 1124M Active, 3707M Inact, 301M Laundry, 1128M Wired,
> > > 621M Buf, 1583M Free Swap: 48G Total, 48G Free
> > >
> > > hw.physmem: 8463925248
> > > hw.usermem: 7281143808
> > > hw.realmem: 8589934592
> > >
> > >              total       used       free     shared
> > > buffers     cached Mem:       8030732    2613004
> > > 5417728          0          0          0 Swap:
> > > 50331644          0   50331644
> > >
> > > swapinfo:
> > >
> > > Device          1K-blocks     Used    Avail Capacity
> > > /dev/ada0s1b     50331644        0 50331644     0%
> > >
> > > vmstat:
> > >
> > > procs     memory        page                    disks
> > > faults         cpu r b w     avm     fre  flt  re  pi  po
> > > fr   sr ad0 pa0   in    sy    cs us sy id 0 0 0 29925660
> > > 1621608  847   0   0   0   637  409   0   0  203 15320  3936
> > > 8  3 89
> > >
> > >
> > > Message replied to:
> > >
> > > Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2019 12:31:37 +1030
> > > From: "Erich Heinzle (a1039181 AT gmail DOT com) [via
> > > geda-help AT delorie DOT com]" <geda-help AT delorie DOT com> To:
> > > "Vladimir Zhbanov (vzhbanov AT gmail DOT com) [via
> > > geda-help AT delorie DOT com]" <geda-help AT delorie DOT com> Subject:
> > > Re: [geda-help] Question: New User - How To Create Very
> > > Simple Unique PCB With No Components
> > >
> > >
> > > > There is a tool on the toolbar that allows you to make
> > > > openings/holes in polygons. You should try to get the
> > > > hang of this so you can do this around openings to avoid
> > > > copper coming right up to the edge of the aperture, to
> > > > prevent possible tearing of the copper when the opening
> > > > is being routed. This "pullback" is often around 0.2mm
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > >
> > > > Erich
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<div dir=3D"auto">Vias can be made to connect to any layer you want, or not=
. On unconnected layers, the polygon will put a hole around the via to prev=
ent electrical connection.</div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"=
ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, Oct 21, 2019, 18:04 John L. Males (<a hre=
f=3D"mailto:jlmales AT gmail DOT com">jlmales AT gmail DOT com</a>) [via <a href=3D"mailt=
o:geda-help AT delorie DOT com">geda-help AT delorie DOT com</a>] &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:g=
eda-help AT delorie DOT com">geda-help AT delorie DOT com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockq=
uote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc =
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Hello Erich,<br>
<br>
That explains a few things that were odd.=C2=A0 First the area I<br>
created was a rectangle.=C2=A0 It would appear the polygon hole tool<br>
may be behaving odd as I am trying to use it in a rectangular<br>
area.=C2=A0 Though a rectangle is a polygon, but maybe the software<br>
does not agree.<br>
<br>
I cannot use a via as the top and bottom copper sides have to<br>
be electrically separate.=C2=A0 My understating of a via is is a via<br>
connects to all layers of a board.=C2=A0 That would still mean for a<br>
two layer board the top and bottom layer would be connected with<br>
a via.<br>
<br>
<br>
John L. Males<br>
Toronto, Ontario<br>
Canada<br>
21 October 2019 17:38 -0400 EDT<br>
<br>
<br>
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<br>
2019-10-21 21:33:40+0000-UTC Time: 1571693620 PC/System time<br>
<br>
21 Oct 21:33:40 ntpdate[13536]: ntpdate 4.2.8p12-a (1)<br>
<br>
21 Oct 21:33:54 ntpdate[13646]: step time server 132.246.11.238<br>
offset 0.014174 sec<br>
<br>
FreeBSD 11.3-STABLE FreeBSD 11.3-STABLE #0 r349903: Thu Jul 11<br>
16:13:47 UTC 2019<br>
root AT releng2 DOT nyi DOT freebsd DOT org:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC <br>
<br>
(Work in progress alternative to Linux Kernel of its own right,<br>
=C2=A0Debian, and<br>
=C2=A0other Linux based Kernel distributions determined.)<br>
<br>
Intel(R) Core(TM) i3-2367M CPU @ 1.40GHz<br>
Intel(R) Core(TM) i3-2367M CPU @ 1.40GHz (1396.86-MHz K8-class<br>
CPU) Intel(R) Core(TM) i3-2367M CPU @ 1.40GHz (1396.86-MHz<br>
K8-class CPU) Intel(R) Core(TM) i3-2367M CPU @ 1.40GHz<br>
(1396.86-MHz K8-class CPU) Intel(R) Core(TM) i3-2367M CPU @<br>
1.40GHz (1396.86-MHz K8-class CPU) Intel(R) Core(TM) i3-2367M<br>
CPU @ 1.40GHz (1396.86-MHz K8-class CPU)<br>
<br>
dev.cpu.0.temperature: 67.0C<br>
dev.cpu.1.temperature: 68.0C<br>
dev.cpu.2.temperature: 65.0C<br>
dev.cpu.3.temperature: 64.0C<br>
hw.acpi.thermal.tz0.temperature: 67.1C<br>
<br>
vmstat -s:<br>
<br>
=C2=A017782318 cpu context switches<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0752615 device interrupts<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0182270 software interrupts<br>
=C2=A010430751 traps<br>
=C2=A086650963 system calls<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A027 kernel threads created<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A02826=C2=A0 fork() calls<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 458 vfork() calls<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 0 rfork() calls<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 0 swap pager pageins<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 0 swap pager pages paged in<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 0 swap pager pageouts<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 0 swap pager pages paged out<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A05990 vnode pager pageins<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 72660 vnode pager pages paged in<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 159 vnode pager pageouts<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A03112 vnode pager pages paged out<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 0 page daemon wakeups<br>
=C2=A0 4115112 pages examined by the page daemon<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 0 clean page reclamation shortfalls<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 0 pages reactivated by the page daemon<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0144631 copy-on-write faults<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A01073 copy-on-write optimized faults<br>
=C2=A0 8379145 zero fill pages zeroed<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 0 zero fill pages prezeroed<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A037 intransit blocking page faults<br>
=C2=A010566105 total VM faults taken<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A08565 page faults requiring I/O<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 0 pages affected by kernel thread creation<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0135543 pages affected by=C2=A0 fork()<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 16184 pages affected by vfork()<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 0 pages affected by rfork()<br>
=C2=A0 9291227 pages freed<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 0 pages freed by daemon<br>
=C2=A0 3100710 pages freed by exiting processes<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0403421 pages active<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0291311 pages inactive<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 14799 pages in the laundry queue<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0171684 pages wired down<br>
=C2=A0 1126516 pages free<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A04096 bytes per page<br>
=C2=A0 1445115 total name lookups<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 cache hits (92% pos + 4% neg) system 0% =
per-directory<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 deletions 0%, falsehits 0%, toolong 0%<b=
r>
<br>
Boot time : 1571687893<br>
<br>
procs=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0memory=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 page=C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 disks<br>
faults=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 cpu0=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0cpu1=C2=A0 =C2=A0=
 =C2=A0cpu2=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0cpu3 r b w=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0avm<br>
fre=C2=A0 flt=C2=A0 re=C2=A0 pi=C2=A0 po=C2=A0 =C2=A0 fr=C2=A0 =C2=A0sr ad0=
 pa0=C2=A0 =C2=A0in=C2=A0 =C2=A0 sy=C2=A0 =C2=A0 cs us sy<br>
id us sy id us sy id us sy id 0 0 0 26911784 4506004 1840=C2=A0 =C2=A00<br>
1=C2=A0 =C2=A00=C2=A0 1618=C2=A0 717=C2=A0 =C2=A00=C2=A0 =C2=A00=C2=A0 131 =
15091=C2=A0 3097=C2=A0 7=C2=A0 3 90=C2=A0 7=C2=A0 3 90=C2=A0 7<br>
3 90=C2=A0 7=C2=A0 3 90<br>
<br>
memory info:<br>
<br>
real memory=C2=A0 =3D 8589934592 (8192 MB)<br>
avail memory =3D 8166465536 (7788 MB)<br>
<br>
last pid: 15327;=C2=A0 load averages:=C2=A0 0.58,=C2=A0 0.39,=C2=A0 0.35=C2=
=A0 up<br>
0+01:35:42=C2=A0 =C2=A0 21:33:55 56 processes:=C2=A0 1 running, 55 sleeping=
<br>
<br>
Mem: 1576M Active, 1138M Inact, 58M Laundry, 671M Wired, 245M<br>
Buf, 4400M Free Swap: 48G Total, 48G Free<br>
<br>
hw.physmem: 8463925248<br>
hw.usermem: 7760547840<br>
hw.realmem: 8589934592<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0total=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0used=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0free=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0shared<br>
buffers=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0cached Mem:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A08030732=C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 2359544<br>
5671188=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 0=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 0=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 0 Swap:<br>
50331644=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 0=C2=A0 =C2=A050331644<br>
<br>
swapinfo:<br>
<br>
Device=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1K-blocks=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Used=
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Avail Capacity<br>
/dev/ada0s1b=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A050331644=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 0 50331=
644=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A00%<br>
<br>
vmstat:<br>
<br>
procs=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0memory=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 page=C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 disks<br>
faults=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0cpu r b w=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0avm=C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0fre=C2=A0 flt=C2=A0 re=C2=A0 pi=C2=A0 po<br>
fr=C2=A0 =C2=A0sr ad0 pa0=C2=A0 =C2=A0in=C2=A0 =C2=A0 sy=C2=A0 =C2=A0 cs us=
 sy id 0 0 0 26911768<br>
4505984 1841=C2=A0 =C2=A00=C2=A0 =C2=A01=C2=A0 =C2=A00=C2=A0 1619=C2=A0 717=
=C2=A0 =C2=A00=C2=A0 =C2=A00=C2=A0 131 15093=C2=A0 3097<br>
7=C2=A0 3 90<br>
<br>
<br>
Message replied to:<br>
<br>
Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2019 20:17:51 +1030<br>
From: &quot;Erich Heinzle (<a href=3D"mailto:a1039181 AT gmail DOT com" target=3D"=
_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">a1039181 AT gmail DOT com</a>) [via<br>
<a href=3D"mailto:geda-help AT delorie DOT com" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferre=
r">geda-help AT delorie DOT com</a>]&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:geda-help AT delorie=
.com" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">geda-help AT delorie DOT com</a>&gt; To=
: &quot;Vladimir<br>
Zhbanov (<a href=3D"mailto:vzhbanov AT gmail DOT com" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nor=
eferrer">vzhbanov AT gmail DOT com</a>) [via <a href=3D"mailto:geda-help AT delorie DOT c=
om" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">geda-help AT delorie DOT com</a>]&quot;<b=
r>
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:geda-help AT delorie DOT com" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noref=
errer">geda-help AT delorie DOT com</a>&gt; Subject: Re: [geda-help] Question: New=
<br>
User - How To Create Very Simple Unique PCB With No Components<br>
<br>
<br>
&gt; The aperture made in a polygon with polygon hole tool will<br>
&gt; also be a polygon. I assumed you&#39;d be making vent holes that<br>
&gt; are rectangular. A large via turned into a hole may do the<br>
&gt; same job for you, if you want a round vent hole<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; regards,<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Erich<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; On Mon, 21 Oct 2019 13:39 John L. Males (<a href=3D"mailto:jlmales AT gma=
il.com" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">jlmales AT gmail DOT com</a>)<br>
&gt; [via <a href=3D"mailto:geda-help AT delorie DOT com" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D=
"noreferrer">geda-help AT delorie DOT com</a>], &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:geda-help AT de=
lorie.com" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">geda-help AT delorie DOT com</a>&g=
t; wrote:<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----<br>
&gt; &gt; Hash: SHA1<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; Hello Erich,<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; I have tried the make hole in polygon via the toolbar.=C2=A0 It<b=
r>
&gt; &gt; seems not to make round holes or I am just not using<br>
&gt; &gt; correctly.=C2=A0 I have tried using this make hole in polygon<br>
&gt; &gt; several times the last few days.=C2=A0 It may be that hole does<b=
r>
&gt; &gt; not mean round based on how I have tried to use the<br>
&gt; &gt; function.<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; I have been looking at how parts in the library are made.=C2=A0 I=
<br>
&gt; &gt; have not found enough details of this yet to attempt making<br>
&gt; &gt; a air hole part, or more likely hole set 3(wide)x6(long)<br>
&gt; &gt; for the copper area of sensor board I am trying to make a<br>
&gt; &gt; PCB for. With a part I can ensure all holes are spaced and<br>
&gt; &gt; sized the exact same way.=C2=A0 I have a few variations of the<br=
>
&gt; &gt; sensor board I like to design, so having a part for the air<br>
&gt; &gt; flow holes.<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; I also likely need to make parts for different number of<br>
&gt; &gt; screw terminals and different sizes for screw terminal<br>
&gt; &gt; blocks.<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; John L. Males<br>
&gt; &gt; Toronto, Ontario<br>
&gt; &gt; Canada<br>
&gt; &gt; 20 October 2019 22:44 -0400 EDT<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; 2019-10-21 02:33:29+0000-UTC Time: 1571625209 PC/System time<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; 21 Oct 02:33:29 ntpdate[23707]: ntpdate 4.2.8p12-a (1)<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; 21 Oct 02:33:45 ntpdate[25599]: step time server<br>
&gt; &gt; 35.183.57.169 offset 0.001036 sec<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; FreeBSD 11.3-STABLE FreeBSD 11.3-STABLE #0 r349903: Thu Jul<br>
&gt; &gt; 11 16:13:47 UTC 2019<br>
&gt; &gt; root AT releng2 DOT nyi DOT freebsd DOT org:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; (Work in progress alternative to Linux Kernel of its own<br>
&gt; &gt; right, Debian, and<br>
&gt; &gt;=C2=A0 other Linux based Kernel distributions determined.)<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; Intel(R) Core(TM) i3-2367M CPU @ 1.40GHz<br>
&gt; &gt; Intel(R) Core(TM) i3-2367M CPU @ 1.40GHz (1396.86-MHz<br>
&gt; &gt; K8-class CPU) Intel(R) Core(TM) i3-2367M CPU @ 1.40GHz<br>
&gt; &gt; (1396.86-MHz K8-class CPU) Intel(R) Core(TM) i3-2367M CPU @<br>
&gt; &gt; 1.40GHz (1396.86-MHz K8-class CPU) Intel(R) Core(TM)<br>
&gt; &gt; i3-2367M CPU @ 1.40GHz (1396.86-MHz K8-class CPU) Intel(R)<br>
&gt; &gt; Core(TM) i3-2367M CPU @ 1.40GHz (1396.86-MHz K8-class CPU)<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; dev.cpu.0.temperature: 68.0C<br>
&gt; &gt; dev.cpu.1.temperature: 68.0C<br>
&gt; &gt; dev.cpu.2.temperature: 64.0C<br>
&gt; &gt; dev.cpu.3.temperature: 63.0C<br>
&gt; &gt; hw.acpi.thermal.tz0.temperature: 67.1C<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; vmstat -s:<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; 128148525 cpu context switches<br>
&gt; &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A06594426 device interrupts<br>
&gt; &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A01140464 software interrupts<br>
&gt; &gt;=C2=A0 27350639 traps<br>
&gt; &gt; 498775320 system calls<br>
&gt; &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 27 kernel threads created<br>
&gt; &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 3323=C2=A0 fork() calls<br>
&gt; &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1057 vfork() calls<br>
&gt; &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A00 rfork() calls<br>
&gt; &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A00 swap pager pageins<br>
&gt; &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A00 swap pager pages paged in<br>
&gt; &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A00 swap pager pageouts<br>
&gt; &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A00 swap pager pages paged out<br>
&gt; &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A010431 vnode pager pageins<br>
&gt; &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 134839 vnode pager pages paged in<br>
&gt; &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0489 vnode pager pageouts<br>
&gt; &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 7512 vnode pager pages paged out<br>
&gt; &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A00 page daemon wakeups<br>
&gt; &gt;=C2=A0 13304337 pages examined by the page daemon<br>
&gt; &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A00 clean page reclamation shortfa=
lls<br>
&gt; &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A00 pages reactivated by the page =
daemon<br>
&gt; &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 285997 copy-on-write faults<br>
&gt; &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 8249 copy-on-write optimized faults<br>
&gt; &gt;=C2=A0 15484848 zero fill pages zeroed<br>
&gt; &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 7381 zero fill pages prezeroed<br>
&gt; &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 45 intransit blocking page faults<br>
&gt; &gt;=C2=A0 27568989 total VM faults taken<br>
&gt; &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A017970 page faults requiring I/O<br>
&gt; &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A00 pages affected by kernel threa=
d creation<br>
&gt; &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 219177 pages affected by=C2=A0 fork()<br>
&gt; &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A038949 pages affected by vfork()<br>
&gt; &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A00 pages affected by rfork()<br>
&gt; &gt;=C2=A0 20724523 pages freed<br>
&gt; &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A00 pages freed by daemon<br>
&gt; &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A07108958 pages freed by exiting processes<br>
&gt; &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 287566 pages active<br>
&gt; &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 949024 pages inactive<br>
&gt; &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A076999 pages in the laundry queue<br>
&gt; &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 288726 pages wired down<br>
&gt; &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 405416 pages free<br>
&gt; &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 4096 bytes per page<br>
&gt; &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A04563245 total name lookups<br>
&gt; &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0cache hits (93% pos + 3% =
neg) system 0%<br>
&gt; &gt; per-directory deletions 0%, falsehits 0%, toolong 0%<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; Boot time : 1571592669<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; procs=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0memory=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 page=
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 disks=
<br>
&gt; &gt; faults=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 cpu0=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0cpu1=C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0cpu2=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0cpu3 r b w=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0avm<=
br>
&gt; &gt; fre=C2=A0 flt=C2=A0 re=C2=A0 pi=C2=A0 po=C2=A0 =C2=A0 fr=C2=A0 =
=C2=A0sr ad0 pa0=C2=A0 =C2=A0in=C2=A0 =C2=A0 sy=C2=A0 =C2=A0 cs us<br>
&gt; &gt; sy id us sy id us sy id us sy id 0 0 0 29925660 1621604<br>
&gt; &gt; 847=C2=A0 =C2=A00 0=C2=A0 =C2=A00=C2=A0 =C2=A0637=C2=A0 409=C2=A0=
 =C2=A00=C2=A0 =C2=A00=C2=A0 203 15321=C2=A0 3936=C2=A0 7=C2=A0 4 88<br>
&gt; &gt; 8=C2=A0 3 89=C2=A0 8 3 89=C2=A0 8=C2=A0 3 89<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; memory info:<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; real memory=C2=A0 =3D 8589934592 (8192 MB)<br>
&gt; &gt; avail memory =3D 8166465536 (7788 MB)<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; last pid: 35247;=C2=A0 load averages:=C2=A0 0.92,=C2=A0 0.98,=C2=
=A0 0.93=C2=A0 up<br>
&gt; &gt; 0+09:02:36=C2=A0 =C2=A0 02:33:45 60 processes:=C2=A0 1 running, 5=
9 sleeping<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; Mem: 1124M Active, 3707M Inact, 301M Laundry, 1128M Wired,<br>
&gt; &gt; 621M Buf, 1583M Free Swap: 48G Total, 48G Free<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; hw.physmem: 8463925248<br>
&gt; &gt; hw.usermem: 7281143808<br>
&gt; &gt; hw.realmem: 8589934592<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 total=C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0used=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0free=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0sha=
red<br>
&gt; &gt; buffers=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0cached Mem:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=
8030732=C2=A0 =C2=A0 2613004<br>
&gt; &gt; 5417728=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 0=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 0=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 0 Swap:<br>
&gt; &gt; 50331644=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 0=C2=A0 =C2=A050331644=
<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; swapinfo:<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; Device=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1K-blocks=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0Used=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Avail Capacity<br>
&gt; &gt; /dev/ada0s1b=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A050331644=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 0 50331644=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A00%<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; vmstat:<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; procs=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0memory=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 page=
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 disks=
<br>
&gt; &gt; faults=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0cpu r b w=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0avm=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0fre=C2=A0 flt=C2=A0 re=C2=A0 pi=C2=A0 po<br>
&gt; &gt; fr=C2=A0 =C2=A0sr ad0 pa0=C2=A0 =C2=A0in=C2=A0 =C2=A0 sy=C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 cs us sy id 0 0 0 29925660<br>
&gt; &gt; 1621608=C2=A0 847=C2=A0 =C2=A00=C2=A0 =C2=A00=C2=A0 =C2=A00=C2=A0=
 =C2=A0637=C2=A0 409=C2=A0 =C2=A00=C2=A0 =C2=A00=C2=A0 203 15320=C2=A0 3936=
<br>
&gt; &gt; 8=C2=A0 3 89<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; Message replied to:<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2019 12:31:37 +1030<br>
&gt; &gt; From: &quot;Erich Heinzle (<a href=3D"mailto:a1039181 AT gmail DOT com" =
target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">a1039181 AT gmail DOT com</a>) [via<br>
&gt; &gt; <a href=3D"mailto:geda-help AT delorie DOT com" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D=
"noreferrer">geda-help AT delorie DOT com</a>]&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:geda-he=
lp AT delorie DOT com" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">geda-help AT delorie DOT com<=
/a>&gt; To:<br>
&gt; &gt; &quot;Vladimir Zhbanov (<a href=3D"mailto:vzhbanov AT gmail DOT com" tar=
get=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">vzhbanov AT gmail DOT com</a>) [via<br>
&gt; &gt; <a href=3D"mailto:geda-help AT delorie DOT com" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D=
"noreferrer">geda-help AT delorie DOT com</a>]&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:geda-he=
lp AT delorie DOT com" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">geda-help AT delorie DOT com<=
/a>&gt; Subject:<br>
&gt; &gt; Re: [geda-help] Question: New User - How To Create Very<br>
&gt; &gt; Simple Unique PCB With No Components<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; There is a tool on the toolbar that allows you to make<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; openings/holes in polygons. You should try to get the<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; hang of this so you can do this around openings to avoid<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; copper coming right up to the edge of the aperture, to<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; prevent possible tearing of the copper when the opening<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; is being routed. This &quot;pullback&quot; is often around 0=
.2mm<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; Regards,<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; Erich<br>
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