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Hi Chad Parker
That was wonderfully clear - thank you very much. I have found pcb.pdf.
best regards
torben
On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 9:02 PM Chad Parker (parker DOT charles AT gmail DOT com) [via
geda-help AT delorie DOT com] <geda-help AT delorie DOT com> wrote:
> The <alt>-s collision with settings menu has been resolved in master and
> will be available at the next release.
>
> To change the size of the drill holes for pins, select all of the pins you
> want to change by clicking them so that they turn blue. Then you can use
> the command :ChangeHoleSize(SelectedPins, +1, mm). Note, that this will
> fail if the final hole diameter is larger than the copper pad, so, you may
> need to increase the size of the pad first.
>
> Also note that any dimension that starts with a "+" or "-" is considered
> to be a delta relative to the current dimension. So, for example, if your
> hole diameter is 0.5 mm, and you executed :ChangeHoleSize(SelectedPins, +1,
> mm), then your hole will increase to 1.5 mm. However, if you execute
> :ChangeHoleSize(SelectedPins, 1, mm), then the hole size will become 1 mm.
>
> If using the GTK HID, you can get a list of the current key-bindings by
> looking in the "Info" menu.
>
> gEDA comprises many programs. Each individual program (should) have its
> own user's manual. pcb does, and it should ship with pcb. Search for the
> file "pcb.pdf" on your filesystem. It's probably in /usr/share/doc/pcb or
> /usr/local/share/doc/pcb.
>
> --Chad
>
> On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 10:58 AM Torben Friis (friistf AT gmail DOT com) [via
> geda-help AT delorie DOT com] <geda-help AT delorie DOT com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Glen,
>> Apparently I cant use PCB, but have to use PCB-GTK. When I do I get:
>>
>> From http://wiki.geda-project.org/geda:pcb-quick_reference:
>> Alt+S sizehole increase the hole of the object under the cursor
>> Alt+Shift+S sizehole (-) decrease the hole of the object under the cursor
>> Ctrl+S sizehole increase the hole of the object under the cursor
>> Ctrl+Shift+S sizehole (-) decrease the hole size
>>
>> Alt+s gives me Settings, Ctl+s gives me nothing
>>
>> :ChangeSize(SelectedPins,+1,mm) gives me nothing
>>
>> There a lots of tutorials, but is'nt there an authoritative manual for
>> geda?
>> torben
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 3:01 PM Glen W. Ruch (gw DOT ruch AT yahoo DOT com) [via
>> geda-help AT delorie DOT com] <geda-help AT delorie DOT com> wrote:
>>
>>> Torben:
>>>
>>> I typically accept the defaults.?? Since I usually only manually drill
>>> PCBs, I generally do not pay too much attention.
>>>
>>> I use *pcb*, and if your *pcb-gtk* is using the same user input,
>>> hovering the cursor over the hole and pressing just *s *should increase
>>> the *size* of the annular copper ring.?? (Seemingly without altering
>>> the hole diameter)?? Pressing just *k *will adjust the *klearance* (
>>> *sic*)
>>>
>>> You might find the YouTube video:
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6O817_G9VE interesting as he alters
>>> the sizes of vias, and I can do the same with DIP socket pins.
>>>
>>> Hope this helps.
>>> On 8/7/19 6:18 AM, Torben Friis (friistf AT gmail DOT com) [via
>>> geda-help AT delorie DOT com] wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Glen,
>>> Anyway, it works.
>>> I am trying to change drill size for a pin in PCB. I have tried
>>> :ChangeSize(SelectedPins, +2000) (how do I select a pin?) and Alt+s while I
>>> place the crossed lines on a pin, but nothing changes.
>>> If I succeed in changing the?? drill size (which by the way is called
>>> drill width), will the other dimensions (annular, etc) stay unchanged)?
>>> best regards
>>> torben
>>>
>>> On Mon, Aug 5, 2019 at 1:38 PM Glen W. Ruch (gw DOT ruch AT yahoo DOT com) [via
>>> geda-help AT delorie DOT com] <geda-help AT delorie DOT com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Torben:
>>>>
>>>> I am not seeing the issue.?? Probably because I did not receive
>>>> Saturday's message with the attachment.
>>>>
>>>> At this point I cannot tell if you are installing from your distro's
>>>> repositories or cloning the github for local compiling.
>>>>
>>>> If compiling locally, there are quite a number of -devel files that
>>>> must be installed from your distro's repository before you can start the
>>>> build process.
>>>>
>>>> Hope this helps
>>>> On 8/5/19 5:43 AM, Torben Friis (friistf AT gmail DOT com) [via
>>>> geda-help AT delorie DOT com] wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi Erich and Glen,
>>>>
>>>> I have run the geda:gsch2pcb_tutorial again and I get the same result.
>>>> I have installed gtk2.0 (sudo apt-get install gtk2.0) and have packages:
>>>>
>>>> ii ??gtk-update-ico 3.22.30-1ubu amd64 ?? ?? ?? ??icon theme caching
>>>> utility
>>>> ii ??gtk2-engines-m 0.98.2-2ubun amd64 ?? ?? ?? ??cairo-based gtk+-2.0
>>>> theme engine
>>>> ii ??gtk2-engines-p 2.24.32-1ubu amd64 ?? ?? ?? ??pixbuf-based theme
>>>> for GTK+ 2.x
>>>> ii ??gtk2.0-example 2.24.32-1ubu amd64 ?? ?? ?? ??example files for
>>>> GTK+ 2.0
>>>>
>>>> and:
>>>>
>>>> ii ??pcb ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ??1:4.0.2-4 ?? ??all ?? ?? ?? ?? ??printed
>>>> circuit board (pcb) desig
>>>> ii ??pcb-common ?? ?? 1:4.0.2-4 ?? ??all ?? ?? ?? ?? ??printed circuit
>>>> board (pcb) desig
>>>> ii ??pcb-gtk ?? ?? ?? ??1:4.0.2-4 ?? ??amd64 ?? ?? ?? ??printed circuit
>>>> board (pcb) desig
>>>> ii ??pcb-lesstif ?? ??1:4.0.2-4 ?? ??amd64 ?? ?? ?? ??printed circuit
>>>> board (pcb) desig
>>>>
>>>> The board.pcb file starts:
>>>>
>>>> torben AT torben-Aspire-E5-773G:~/gaf/myproject1$ cat board.pcb
>>>> # release: pcb 1.99x
>>>> # To read pcb files, the pcb version (or the cvs source date) must be
>>>> >= the file version
>>>> FileVersion[20070407]
>>>> PCB["" 600000 500000]
>>>> Grid[10000.000000 0 0 0]
>>>> Cursor[0 0 0.000000]
>>>> PolyArea[200000000.000000]
>>>> Thermal[0.500000]
>>>> DRC[1000 1000 1000 1000 1500 1000]
>>>> Flags("nameonpcb,uniquename,clearnew,snappin")
>>>> Groups("1,c:2:3:4:5:6,s:7:8")
>>>>
>>>> Styles["Signal,1000,3600,2000,1000:Power,2500,6000,3500,1000:Fat,4000,6000,3500,1000:Skinny,600,2402,1181,600"]
>>>> Element(0x00 "TO92" "Q201" "2N3904" 0 0 0 100 0x00)
>>>> (
>>>> Pin(250 200 72 42 "1" 0x101)
>>>> .
>>>> .
>>>> .
>>>>
>>>> Can you see anything wrong?
>>>> It's a real mystery.
>>>> best regards
>>>> torben
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Aug 3, 2019 at 4:46 PM Torben Friis <friistf AT gmail DOT com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Erich and Glen,
>>>>> I have started from scratch (uninstalling - installing gEDA,??
>>>>> restarting the computer.) without using sudo and I have installed gtk (sudo
>>>>> apt install gtk+3.0) and the result is shown in the attached screen dump.
>>>>> Same result, but there is something about gtk that I may have
>>>>> misunderstood.
>>>>> best regards
>>>>> torben
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Aug 2, 2019 at 8:07 AM Glen W. Ruch (gw DOT ruch AT yahoo DOT com) [via
>>>>> geda-help AT delorie DOT com] <geda-help AT delorie DOT com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> P.S.
>>>>>> You may also want to do a *ls -l *(list -long) to see how many files
>>>>>> still belong to you and how many belong to root.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You may want to *sudo chown* to move the files back to the correct
>>>>>> owner.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On my computer there is a difference between the user default
>>>>>> permissions and root's default permissions.?? You may want to correct the
>>>>>> permissions with *sudo chmod*
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 8/1/19 4:34 PM, Glen W. Ruch (gw DOT ruch AT yahoo DOT com) [via
>>>>>> geda-help AT delorie DOT com] wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Torben:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You should not have to use *sudo* *(SuperUser DO) *as this elevates
>>>>>> you from your user level (torben) to root user.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This may be causing issues where you are saving files as user
>>>>>> *torben*, but when you become root, root's directory may be checked
>>>>>> for the file.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> sudo is a dangerous tool and is meant to be used for specific uses
>>>>>> such as installing software.?? Using it excessively can cause a typo to
>>>>>> have catastrophic consequences.?? When your computer is configured
>>>>>> correctly you should be able to run *gschem* or *pcb* (etc.) with
>>>>>> your own user (torben) level privileges.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hope this helps.
>>>>>> On 7/30/19 7:11 AM, Torben Friis (friistf AT gmail DOT com) [via
>>>>>> geda-help AT delorie DOT com] wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>> Is Wilson's tutorial up-to-date? I run:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> torben AT torben-Aspire-E5-773G:~/gaf/myproject3$ sudo gsch2pcb project
>>>>>>
>>>>>> with 2 resistors and get:
>>>>>> ----------------------------------
>>>>>> Done processing.?? Work performed:
>>>>>> 2 file elements and 0 m4 elements added to board.pcb.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Next step:
>>>>>> 1.?? Run pcb on your file board.pcb.
>>>>>> ?? ?? You will find all your footprints in a bundle ready for you to
>>>>>> place
>>>>>> ?? ?? or disperse with "Select -> Disperse all elements" in PCB.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2.?? From within PCB, select "File -> Load netlist file" and select
>>>>>> ?? ?? board.net to load the netlist.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 3.?? From within PCB, enter
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ??:ExecuteFile(board.cmd)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ?? ?? to propagate the pin names of all footprints to the layout.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I then run:
>>>>>> torben AT torben-Aspire-E5-773G:~/gaf/myproject3$ sudo pcb board.pcb
>>>>>>
>>>>>> and get:
>>>>>> File 'board.pcb' has no font information, using default font
>>>>>> ??
>>>>>> I then get the rather empty looking screen shown attached.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I can disperse the components and run the netlist, but when I run
>>>>>>
>>>>>> sudo :ExecuteFile(board.cmd) (or :ExecuteFile(board.cmd))
>>>>>> ??nothing happens
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Incidentally, when I run:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> sudo gschem one.sch
>>>>>>
>>>>>> the curser moves to the next line. It looks as if some input is
>>>>>> expected. What?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Can anyone help?
>>>>>> best regards
>>>>>> torben
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Feb 14, 2019 at 3:04 PM Torben Friis <friistf AT gmail DOT com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi ,
>>>>>>> I have been looking fo the above element, but I cannot find it. I
>>>>>>> have been looking for .../newlib and found it in two places, but neither
>>>>>>> one appeared to provide it.
>>>>>>> Is there anywhere else I can look for it?
>>>>>>> torben
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,he=
lvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">Hi Chad Parker</div><div class=3D"gmail=
_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">=
That was wonderfully clear - thank you very much. I have found pcb.pdf.</di=
v><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-se=
rif;font-size:large">best regards</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=
=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">torben<br></div=
></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr"=
>On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 9:02 PM Chad Parker (<a href=3D"mailto:parker.charl=
es AT gmail DOT com">parker DOT charles AT gmail DOT com</a>) [via <a href=3D"mailto:geda-hel=
p AT delorie DOT com">geda-help AT delorie DOT com</a>] <<a href=3D"mailto:geda-help AT d=
elorie.com">geda-help AT delorie DOT com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=
=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rg=
b(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>The <alt>-s co=
llision with settings menu has been resolved in master and will be availabl=
e at the next release.</div><div><br></div><div>To change the size of the d=
rill holes for pins, select all of the pins you want to change by clicking =
them so that they turn blue. Then you can use the command :ChangeHoleSize(S=
electedPins, +1, mm). Note, that this will fail if the final hole diameter =
is larger than the copper pad, so, you may need to increase the size of the=
pad first. <br></div><div><br></div><div>Also note that any dimension that=
starts with a "+" or "-" is considered to be a delta r=
elative to the current dimension. So, for example, if your hole diameter is=
0.5 mm, and you executed :ChangeHoleSize(SelectedPins, +1, mm), then your =
hole will increase to 1.5 mm. However, if you execute :ChangeHoleSize(Selec=
tedPins, 1, mm), then the hole size will become 1 mm.<br></div><div><br></d=
iv><div>If using the GTK HID, you can get a list of the current key-binding=
s by looking in the "Info" menu.</div><div><br></div><div>gEDA co=
mprises many programs. Each individual program (should) have its own user&#=
39;s manual. pcb does, and it should ship with pcb. Search for the file &qu=
ot;pcb.pdf" on your filesystem. It's probably in /usr/share/doc/pc=
b or /usr/local/share/doc/pcb.</div><div><br></div><div>--Chad<br></div></d=
iv><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On =
Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 10:58 AM Torben Friis (<a href=3D"mailto:friistf AT gmail.=
com" target=3D"_blank">friistf AT gmail DOT com</a>) [via <a href=3D"mailto:geda-h=
elp AT delorie DOT com" target=3D"_blank">geda-help AT delorie DOT com</a>] <<a href=
=3D"mailto:geda-help AT delorie DOT com" target=3D"_blank">geda-help AT delorie DOT com</=
a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0p=
x 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><d=
iv dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helv=
etica,sans-serif;font-size:large">Hi Glen,</div><div class=3D"gmail_default=
" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">Apparent=
ly I cant use PCB, but have to use PCB-GTK. When I do I get:</div><div clas=
s=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-si=
ze:large"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial=
,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">From <a href=3D"http://wiki.geda-pro=
ject.org/geda:pcb-quick_reference" target=3D"_blank">http://wiki.geda-proje=
ct.org/geda:pcb-quick_reference</a>:</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" styl=
e=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">Alt+S sizehol=
e increase the hole of the object under the cursor<br>Alt+Shift+S sizehol=
e (-) decrease the hole of the object under the cursor<br>Ctrl+S sizehole=
increase the hole of the object under the cursor<br>Ctrl+Shift+S sizehol=
e (-) decrease the hole size<br><br>Alt+s gives me Settings, Ctl+s gives m=
e nothing<br><br>:ChangeSize(SelectedPins,+1,mm) gives me nothing</div><div=
class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;fo=
nt-size:large"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:=
arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">There a lots of tutorials, but =
is'nt there an authoritative manual for geda?</div><div class=3D"gmail_=
default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">t=
orben</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetic=
a,sans-serif;font-size:large"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=
=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large"><br></div><div =
class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;fon=
t-size:large"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:a=
rial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large"><br></div></div><br><div class=
=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 =
at 3:01 PM Glen W. Ruch (<a href=3D"mailto:gw DOT ruch AT yahoo DOT com" target=3D"_bl=
ank">gw DOT ruch AT yahoo DOT com</a>) [via <a href=3D"mailto:geda-help AT delorie DOT com" t=
arget=3D"_blank">geda-help AT delorie DOT com</a>] <<a href=3D"mailto:geda-help=
@delorie.com" target=3D"_blank">geda-help AT delorie DOT com</a>> wrote:<br></d=
iv><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;bord=
er-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<p>Torben:</p>
<p>I typically accept the defaults.?? Since I usually only manually
drill PCBs, I generally do not pay too much attention.</p>
<p>I use <i><b>pcb</b></i>, and if your <i><b>pcb-gtk</b></i> is
using the same user input, hovering the cursor over the hole and
pressing just <i><b>s </b></i>should increase the <i><b>size</b></i>
of the annular copper ring.?? (Seemingly without altering the hole
diameter)?? Pressing just <i><b>k </b></i>will adjust the <i><b>klear=
ance</b></i>
(<i>sic</i>) <br>
</p>
<p>You might find the YouTube video: <a href=3D"https://www.youtube.com=
/watch?v=3Ds6O817_G9VE" target=3D"_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=
=3Ds6O817_G9VE</a>
interesting as he alters the sizes of vias, and I can do the same
with DIP socket pins.</p>
<p>Hope this helps.<br>
</p>
<div class=3D"gmail-m_-5714977154857875969gmail-m_-8853563024957483338g=
mail-m_-3552897844207147919moz-cite-prefix">On 8/7/19 6:18 AM, Torben Friis
(<a class=3D"gmail-m_-5714977154857875969gmail-m_-8853563024957483338=
gmail-m_-3552897844207147919moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href=3D"mailto:friist=
f AT gmail DOT com" target=3D"_blank">friistf AT gmail DOT com</a>) [via <a class=3D"gmai=
l-m_-5714977154857875969gmail-m_-8853563024957483338gmail-m_-35528978442071=
47919moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href=3D"mailto:geda-help AT delorie DOT com" target=
=3D"_blank">geda-help AT delorie DOT com</a>] wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
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<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,s=
ans-serif;font-size:large">Hi
Glen,</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,s=
ans-serif;font-size:large">Anyway,
it works.</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,s=
ans-serif;font-size:large">I
am trying to change drill size for a pin in PCB. I have tried
:ChangeSize(SelectedPins, +2000) (how do I select a pin?) and
Alt+s while I place the crossed lines on a pin, but nothing
changes.</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,s=
ans-serif;font-size:large">If
I succeed in changing the?? drill size (which by the way is
called drill width), will the other dimensions (annular, etc)
stay unchanged)?</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,s=
ans-serif;font-size:large">best
regards</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,s=
ans-serif;font-size:large">torben<br>
</div>
</div>
<br>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">
<div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, Aug 5, 2019 at 1:38 P=
M
Glen W. Ruch (<a href=3D"mailto:gw DOT ruch AT yahoo DOT com" target=3D"_bla=
nk">gw DOT ruch AT yahoo DOT com</a>) [via <a href=3D"mailto:geda-help AT delorie DOT com" ta=
rget=3D"_blank">geda-help AT delorie DOT com</a>]
<<a href=3D"mailto:geda-help AT delorie DOT com" target=3D"_blank">ge=
da-help AT delorie DOT com</a>> wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex=
;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF">
<p>Torben:<br>
<br>
I am not seeing the issue.?? Probably because I did not
receive Saturday's message with the attachment. <br>
<br>
At this point I cannot tell if you are installing from
your distro's repositories or cloning the github for loca=
l
compiling.<br>
<br>
If compiling locally, there are quite a number of -devel
files that must be installed from your distro's repositor=
y
before you can start the build process.<br>
<br>
Hope this helps<br>
</p>
<div class=3D"gmail-m_-5714977154857875969gmail-m_-885356302495=
7483338gmail-m_-3552897844207147919gmail-m_5351962411090118364moz-cite-pref=
ix">On
8/5/19 5:43 AM, Torben Friis (<a class=3D"gmail-m_-5714977154=
857875969gmail-m_-8853563024957483338gmail-m_-3552897844207147919gmail-m_53=
51962411090118364moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href=3D"mailto:friistf AT gmail DOT com=
" target=3D"_blank">friistf AT gmail DOT com</a>) [via <a class=3D"gmail-m_-571497=
7154857875969gmail-m_-8853563024957483338gmail-m_-3552897844207147919gmail-=
m_5351962411090118364moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href=3D"mailto:geda-help AT del=
orie.com" target=3D"_blank">geda-help AT delorie DOT com</a>] wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,hel=
vetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">Hi
Erich and Glen,<br>
<br>
I have run the geda:gsch2pcb_tutorial again and I get
the same result.<br>
I have installed gtk2.0 (sudo apt-get install gtk2.0)
and have packages:<br>
<br>
ii ??gtk-update-ico 3.22.30-1ubu amd64 ?? ?? ?? ??icon
theme caching utility<br>
ii ??gtk2-engines-m 0.98.2-2ubun amd64 ?? ?? ??
??cairo-based gtk+-2.0 theme engine<br>
ii ??gtk2-engines-p 2.24.32-1ubu amd64 ?? ?? ??
??pixbuf-based theme for GTK+ 2.x<br>
ii ??gtk2.0-example 2.24.32-1ubu amd64 ?? ?? ??
??example files for GTK+ 2.0<br>
<br>
and:<br>
<br>
ii ??pcb ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ??1:4.0.2-4 ?? ??all ?? ?? ??
?? ??printed circuit board (pcb) desig<br>
ii ??pcb-common ?? ?? 1:4.0.2-4 ?? ??all ?? ?? ?? ??
??printed circuit board (pcb) desig<br>
ii ??pcb-gtk ?? ?? ?? ??1:4.0.2-4 ?? ??amd64 ?? ?? ??
??printed circuit board (pcb) desig<br>
ii ??pcb-lesstif ?? ??1:4.0.2-4 ?? ??amd64 ?? ?? ??
??printed circuit board (pcb) desig<br>
<br>
The board.pcb file starts:<br>
<br>
torben AT torben-Aspire-E5-773G:~/gaf/myproject1$ cat
board.pcb<br>
# release: pcb 1.99x<br>
# To read pcb files, the pcb version (or the cvs
source date) must be >=3D the file version<br>
FileVersion[20070407]<br>
PCB["" 600000 500000]<br>
Grid[10000.000000 0 0 0]<br>
Cursor[0 0 0.000000]<br>
PolyArea[200000000.000000]<br>
Thermal[0.500000]<br>
DRC[1000 1000 1000 1000 1500 1000]<br>
Flags("nameonpcb,uniquename,clearnew,snappin")<=
br>
Groups("1,c:2:3:4:5:6,s:7:8")<br>
Styles["Signal,1000,3600,2000,1000:Power,2500,6000,3500,1000:Fat,4000,=
6000,3500,1000:Skinny,600,2402,1181,600"]<br>
Element(0x00 "TO92" "Q201" "2N39=
04" 0 0 0 100 0x00)<br>
(<br>
Pin(250 200 72 42 "1" 0x101)<br>
.<br>
.<br>
.<br>
<br>
Can you see anything wrong?<br>
It's a real mystery.<br>
best regards<br>
torben<br>
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<div class=3D"gmail_quote">
<div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sat, Aug 3, 2019 a=
t
4:46 PM Torben Friis <<a href=3D"mailto:friistf AT gmail.=
com" target=3D"_blank">friistf AT gmail DOT com</a>>
wrote:<br>
</div>
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px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial=
,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">Hi
Erich and Glen,</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial=
,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">I
have started from scratch (uninstalling -
installing gEDA,?? restarting the computer.)
without using sudo and I have installed gtk (sudo
apt install gtk+3.0) and the result is shown in
the attached screen dump.</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial=
,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">Same
result, but there is something about gtk that I
may have misunderstood.</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial=
,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">best
regards<br>
</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial=
,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">torben<br>
</div>
</div>
<br>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">
<div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Fri, Aug 2,
2019 at 8:07 AM Glen W. Ruch (<a href=3D"mailto:gw.ru=
ch AT yahoo DOT com" target=3D"_blank">gw DOT ruch AT yahoo DOT com</a>)
[via <a href=3D"mailto:geda-help AT delorie DOT com" target=
=3D"_blank">geda-help AT delorie DOT com</a>]
<<a href=3D"mailto:geda-help AT delorie DOT com" target=
=3D"_blank">geda-help AT delorie DOT com</a>>
wrote:<br>
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px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF">
<p>P.S.<br>
You may also want to do a <b>ls -l </b>(list
-long) to see how many files still belong to
you and how many belong to root.</p>
<p>You may want to <b>sudo chown</b> to move
the files back to the correct owner.</p>
<p>On my computer there is a difference between
the user default permissions and root's
default permissions.?? You may want to correct
the permissions with <b>sudo chmod</b><br>
</p>
<p>Regards.<br>
</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<div class=3D"gmail-m_-5714977154857875969gmail-m_-=
8853563024957483338gmail-m_-3552897844207147919gmail-m_5351962411090118364g=
mail-m_6568291093109405877gmail-m_-428759268849965292moz-cite-prefix">On
8/1/19 4:34 PM, Glen W. Ruch (<a class=3D"gmail-m=
_-5714977154857875969gmail-m_-8853563024957483338gmail-m_-35528978442071479=
19gmail-m_5351962411090118364gmail-m_6568291093109405877gmail-m_-4287592688=
49965292moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href=3D"mailto:gw DOT ruch AT yahoo DOT com" target=
=3D"_blank">gw DOT ruch AT yahoo DOT com</a>)
[via <a class=3D"gmail-m_-5714977154857875969gmai=
l-m_-8853563024957483338gmail-m_-3552897844207147919gmail-m_535196241109011=
8364gmail-m_6568291093109405877gmail-m_-428759268849965292moz-txt-link-abbr=
eviated" href=3D"mailto:geda-help AT delorie DOT com" target=3D"_blank">geda-help@=
delorie.com</a>]
wrote:<br>
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<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<p>Torben:</p>
<p>You should not have to use <i><b>sudo</b></i>
<i><b>(SuperUser DO) </b></i>as this
elevates you from your user level (torben)
to root user. <br>
</p>
<p>This may be causing issues where you are
saving files as user <i><b>torben</b></i>,
but when you become root, root's directory
may be checked for the file.</p>
<p>sudo is a dangerous tool and is meant to be
used for specific uses such as installing
software.?? Using it excessively can cause a
typo to have catastrophic consequences.??
When your computer is configured correctly
you should be able to run <i><b>gschem</b></i>
or <i><b>pcb</b></i> (etc.) with your own
user (torben) level privileges.</p>
<p>Hope this helps.<br>
</p>
<div class=3D"gmail-m_-5714977154857875969gmail-m=
_-8853563024957483338gmail-m_-3552897844207147919gmail-m_535196241109011836=
4gmail-m_6568291093109405877gmail-m_-428759268849965292moz-cite-prefix">On
7/30/19 7:11 AM, Torben Friis (<a class=3D"gmai=
l-m_-5714977154857875969gmail-m_-8853563024957483338gmail-m_-35528978442071=
47919gmail-m_5351962411090118364gmail-m_6568291093109405877gmail-m_-4287592=
68849965292moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href=3D"mailto:friistf AT gmail DOT com" targ=
et=3D"_blank">friistf AT gmail DOT com</a>)
[via <a class=3D"gmail-m_-5714977154857875969gm=
ail-m_-8853563024957483338gmail-m_-3552897844207147919gmail-m_5351962411090=
118364gmail-m_6568291093109405877gmail-m_-428759268849965292moz-txt-link-ab=
breviated" href=3D"mailto:geda-help AT delorie DOT com" target=3D"_blank">geda-hel=
p AT delorie DOT com</a>]
wrote:<br>
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<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-fa=
mily:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">Hi,</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-fa=
mily:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">Is
Wilson's tutorial up-to-date? I run:<br=
>
</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-fa=
mily:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large"><br>
</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-fa=
mily:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">torben AT torben-Aspire-E5-77=
3G:~/gaf/myproject3$
sudo gsch2pcb project</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-fa=
mily:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large"><br>
</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-fa=
mily:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">
with 2 resistors and get:<br>
</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-fa=
mily:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">--------------------------=
--------<br>
Done processing.?? Work performed:<br>
2 file elements and 0 m4 elements added
to board.pcb.<br>
<br>
Next step:<br>
1.?? Run pcb on your file board.pcb.<br>
?? ?? You will find all your footprints
in a bundle ready for you to place<br>
?? ?? or disperse with "Select ->
Disperse all elements" in PCB.<br>
<br>
2.?? From within PCB, select "File -&g=
t;
Load netlist file" and select <br>
?? ?? <a href=3D"http://board.net" target=
=3D"_blank">board.net</a>
to load the netlist.<br>
<br>
3.?? From within PCB, enter<br>
<br>
?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ??:ExecuteFile(board.cmd)<br=
>
<br>
?? ?? to propagate the pin names of all
footprints to the layout.<br>
</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-fa=
mily:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large"><br>
</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-fa=
mily:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">I
then run:<br>
torben AT torben-Aspire-E5-773G:~/gaf/myproject3$ sudo pcb board.pcb<br>
</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-fa=
mily:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large"><br>
</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-fa=
mily:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">and
get:<br>
</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-fa=
mily:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">File
'board.pcb' has no font information=
,
using default font<br>
</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-fa=
mily:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">??<br>
</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-fa=
mily:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">I
then get the rather empty looking screen
shown attached.</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-fa=
mily:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large"><br>
</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-fa=
mily:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">I
can disperse the components and run the
netlist, but when I run</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-fa=
mily:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large"><br>
</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-fa=
mily:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">sudo
:ExecuteFile(board.cmd) (or
:ExecuteFile(board.cmd))</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-fa=
mily:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">??nothing
happens</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-fa=
mily:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large"><br>
</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-fa=
mily:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">Incidentally,
when I run:</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-fa=
mily:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large"><br>
</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-fa=
mily:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">sudo
gschem one.sch</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-fa=
mily:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large"><br>
</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-fa=
mily:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">the
curser moves to the next line. It looks
as if some input is expected. What?<br>
</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-fa=
mily:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large"><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>
<div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,s=
ans-serif;font-size:large" class=3D"gmail_default">Can anyone help?</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,s=
ans-serif;font-size:large" class=3D"gmail_default">best regards</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,s=
ans-serif;font-size:large" class=3D"gmail_default">torben</div>
<br>
</div>
</div>
<br>
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<div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu,
Feb 14, 2019 at 3:04 PM Torben Friis
<<a href=3D"mailto:friistf AT gmail DOT com" ta=
rget=3D"_blank">friistf AT gmail DOT com</a>>
wrote:<br>
</div>
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rgin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:=
1ex">
<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"fon=
t-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">Hi
,</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"fon=
t-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">I
have been looking fo the above
element, but I cannot find it. I
have been looking for .../newlib and
found it in two places, but neither
one appeared to provide it.</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"fon=
t-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">Is
there anywhere else I can look for
it?</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"fon=
t-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">torben<br>
</div>
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