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Torben:

I typically accept the defaults.?? Since I usually only manually drill 
PCBs, I generally do not pay too much attention.

I use /*pcb*/, and if your /*pcb-gtk*/ is using the same user input, 
hovering the cursor over the hole and pressing just /*s */should 
increase the /*size*/ of the annular copper ring.?? (Seemingly without 
altering the hole diameter)?? Pressing just /*k */will adjust the 
/*klearance*/ (/sic/)

You might find the YouTube video: 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6O817_G9VE interesting as he alters the 
sizes of vias, and I can do the same with DIP socket pins.

Hope this helps.

On 8/7/19 6:18 AM, Torben Friis (friistf AT gmail DOT com) [via 
geda-help AT delorie DOT com] wrote:
> Hi Glen,
> Anyway, it works.
> I am trying to change drill size for a pin in PCB. I have tried 
> :ChangeSize(SelectedPins, +2000) (how do I select a pin?) and Alt+s 
> while I place the crossed lines on a pin, but nothing changes.
> If I succeed in changing the?? drill size (which by the way is called 
> drill width), will the other dimensions (annular, etc) stay unchanged)?
> best regards
> torben
>
> On Mon, Aug 5, 2019 at 1:38 PM Glen W. Ruch (gw DOT ruch AT yahoo DOT com 
> <mailto:gw DOT ruch AT yahoo DOT com>) [via geda-help AT delorie DOT com 
> <mailto:geda-help AT delorie DOT com>] <geda-help AT delorie DOT com 
> <mailto:geda-help AT delorie DOT com>> wrote:
>
>     Torben:
>
>     I am not seeing the issue.?? Probably because I did not receive
>     Saturday's message with the attachment.
>
>     At this point I cannot tell if you are installing from your
>     distro's repositories or cloning the github for local compiling.
>
>     If compiling locally, there are quite a number of -devel files
>     that must be installed from your distro's repository before you
>     can start the build process.
>
>     Hope this helps
>
>     On 8/5/19 5:43 AM, Torben Friis (friistf AT gmail DOT com
>     <mailto:friistf AT gmail DOT com>) [via geda-help AT delorie DOT com
>     <mailto:geda-help AT delorie DOT com>] wrote:
>>     Hi Erich and Glen,
>>
>>     I have run the geda:gsch2pcb_tutorial again and I get the same
>>     result.
>>     I have installed gtk2.0 (sudo apt-get install gtk2.0) and have
>>     packages:
>>
>>     ii ??gtk-update-ico 3.22.30-1ubu amd64 ?? ?? ?? ??icon theme
>>     caching utility
>>     ii ??gtk2-engines-m 0.98.2-2ubun amd64 ?? ?? ?? ??cairo-based
>>     gtk+-2.0 theme engine
>>     ii ??gtk2-engines-p 2.24.32-1ubu amd64 ?? ?? ?? ??pixbuf-based
>>     theme for GTK+ 2.x
>>     ii ??gtk2.0-example 2.24.32-1ubu amd64 ?? ?? ?? ??example files
>>     for GTK+ 2.0
>>
>>     and:
>>
>>     ii ??pcb ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ??1:4.0.2-4 ?? ??all ?? ?? ?? ??
>>     ??printed circuit board (pcb) desig
>>     ii ??pcb-common ?? ?? 1:4.0.2-4 ?? ??all ?? ?? ?? ?? ??printed
>>     circuit board (pcb) desig
>>     ii ??pcb-gtk ?? ?? ?? ??1:4.0.2-4 ?? ??amd64 ?? ?? ?? ??printed
>>     circuit board (pcb) desig
>>     ii ??pcb-lesstif ?? ??1:4.0.2-4 ?? ??amd64 ?? ?? ?? ??printed
>>     circuit board (pcb) desig
>>
>>     The board.pcb file starts:
>>
>>     torben AT torben-Aspire-E5-773G:~/gaf/myproject1$ cat board.pcb
>>     # release: pcb 1.99x
>>     # To read pcb files, the pcb version (or the cvs source date)
>>     must be >= the file version
>>     FileVersion[20070407]
>>     PCB["" 600000 500000]
>>     Grid[10000.000000 0 0 0]
>>     Cursor[0 0 0.000000]
>>     PolyArea[200000000.000000]
>>     Thermal[0.500000]
>>     DRC[1000 1000 1000 1000 1500 1000]
>>     Flags("nameonpcb,uniquename,clearnew,snappin")
>>     Groups("1,c:2:3:4:5:6,s:7:8")
>>     Styles["Signal,1000,3600,2000,1000:Power,2500,6000,3500,1000:Fat,4000,6000,3500,1000:Skinny,600,2402,1181,600"]
>>     Element(0x00 "TO92" "Q201" "2N3904" 0 0 0 100 0x00)
>>     (
>>     Pin(250 200 72 42 "1" 0x101)
>>     .
>>     .
>>     .
>>
>>     Can you see anything wrong?
>>     It's a real mystery.
>>     best regards
>>     torben
>>
>>     On Sat, Aug 3, 2019 at 4:46 PM Torben Friis <friistf AT gmail DOT com
>>     <mailto:friistf AT gmail DOT com>> wrote:
>>
>>         Hi Erich and Glen,
>>         I have started from scratch (uninstalling - installing
>>         gEDA,?? restarting the computer.) without using sudo and I
>>         have installed gtk (sudo apt install gtk+3.0) and the result
>>         is shown in the attached screen dump.
>>         Same result, but there is something about gtk that I may have
>>         misunderstood.
>>         best regards
>>         torben
>>
>>         On Fri, Aug 2, 2019 at 8:07 AM Glen W. Ruch
>>         (gw DOT ruch AT yahoo DOT com <mailto:gw DOT ruch AT yahoo DOT com>) [via
>>         geda-help AT delorie DOT com <mailto:geda-help AT delorie DOT com>]
>>         <geda-help AT delorie DOT com <mailto:geda-help AT delorie DOT com>> wrote:
>>
>>             P.S.
>>             You may also want to do a *ls -l *(list -long) to see how
>>             many files still belong to you and how many belong to root.
>>
>>             You may want to *sudo chown* to move the files back to
>>             the correct owner.
>>
>>             On my computer there is a difference between the user
>>             default permissions and root's default permissions.?? You
>>             may want to correct the permissions with *sudo chmod*
>>
>>             Regards.
>>
>>
>>             On 8/1/19 4:34 PM, Glen W. Ruch (gw DOT ruch AT yahoo DOT com
>>             <mailto:gw DOT ruch AT yahoo DOT com>) [via geda-help AT delorie DOT com
>>             <mailto:geda-help AT delorie DOT com>] wrote:
>>>
>>>             Torben:
>>>
>>>             You should not have to use /*sudo*/ /*(SuperUser DO)
>>>             */as this elevates you from your user level (torben) to
>>>             root user.
>>>
>>>             This may be causing issues where you are saving files as
>>>             user /*torben*/, but when you become root, root's
>>>             directory may be checked for the file.
>>>
>>>             sudo is a dangerous tool and is meant to be used for
>>>             specific uses such as installing software.?? Using it
>>>             excessively can cause a typo to have catastrophic
>>>             consequences.?? When your computer is configured
>>>             correctly you should be able to run /*gschem*/ or
>>>             /*pcb*/ (etc.) with your own user (torben) level privileges.
>>>
>>>             Hope this helps.
>>>
>>>             On 7/30/19 7:11 AM, Torben Friis (friistf AT gmail DOT com
>>>             <mailto:friistf AT gmail DOT com>) [via geda-help AT delorie DOT com
>>>             <mailto:geda-help AT delorie DOT com>] wrote:
>>>>             Hi,
>>>>             Is Wilson's tutorial up-to-date? I run:
>>>>
>>>>             torben AT torben-Aspire-E5-773G:~/gaf/myproject3$ sudo
>>>>             gsch2pcb project
>>>>
>>>>             with 2 resistors and get:
>>>>             ----------------------------------
>>>>             Done processing.?? Work performed:
>>>>             2 file elements and 0 m4 elements added to board.pcb.
>>>>
>>>>             Next step:
>>>>             1.?? Run pcb on your file board.pcb.
>>>>             ?? ?? You will find all your footprints in a bundle
>>>>             ready for you to place
>>>>             ?? ?? or disperse with "Select -> Disperse all
>>>>             elements" in PCB.
>>>>
>>>>             2.?? From within PCB, select "File -> Load netlist
>>>>             file" and select
>>>>             ?? ?? board.net <http://board.net> to load the netlist.
>>>>
>>>>             3.?? From within PCB, enter
>>>>
>>>>             ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ??:ExecuteFile(board.cmd)
>>>>
>>>>             ?? ?? to propagate the pin names of all footprints to
>>>>             the layout.
>>>>
>>>>             I then run:
>>>>             torben AT torben-Aspire-E5-773G:~/gaf/myproject3$ sudo pcb
>>>>             board.pcb
>>>>
>>>>             and get:
>>>>             File 'board.pcb' has no font information, using default
>>>>             font
>>>>             ??
>>>>             I then get the rather empty looking screen shown attached.
>>>>
>>>>             I can disperse the components and run the netlist, but
>>>>             when I run
>>>>
>>>>             sudo :ExecuteFile(board.cmd) (or :ExecuteFile(board.cmd))
>>>>             ??nothing happens
>>>>
>>>>             Incidentally, when I run:
>>>>
>>>>             sudo gschem one.sch
>>>>
>>>>             the curser moves to the next line. It looks as if some
>>>>             input is expected. What?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>             Can anyone help?
>>>>             best regards
>>>>             torben
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>             On Thu, Feb 14, 2019 at 3:04 PM Torben Friis
>>>>             <friistf AT gmail DOT com <mailto:friistf AT gmail DOT com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>                 Hi ,
>>>>                 I have been looking fo the above element, but I
>>>>                 cannot find it. I have been looking for .../newlib
>>>>                 and found it in two places, but neither one
>>>>                 appeared to provide it.
>>>>                 Is there anywhere else I can look for it?
>>>>                 torben
>>>>

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    <p>Torben:</p>
    <p>I typically accept the defaults.?? Since I usually only manually
      drill PCBs, I generally do not pay too much attention.</p>
    <p>I use <i><b>pcb</b></i>, and if your <i><b>pcb-gtk</b></i> is
      using the same user input, hovering the cursor over the hole and
      pressing just <i><b>s </b></i>should increase the <i><b>size</b></i>
      of the annular copper ring.?? (Seemingly without altering the hole
      diameter)?? Pressing just <i><b>k </b></i>will adjust the <i><b>klearance</b></i>
      (<i>sic</i>) <br>
    </p>
    <p>You might find the YouTube video: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
        href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6O817_G9VE">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6O817_G9VE</a>
      interesting as he alters the sizes of vias, and I can do the same
      with DIP socket pins.</p>
    <p>Hope this helps.<br>
    </p>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 8/7/19 6:18 AM, Torben Friis
      (<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:friistf AT gmail DOT com">friistf AT gmail DOT com</a>) [via <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:geda-help AT delorie DOT com">geda-help AT delorie DOT com</a>] wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote type="cite"
cite="mid:CAMw9acCveS15_dgPoaeRhuXL9+hv4sVh69Gdz91ZBukBxR20oA AT mail DOT gmail DOT com">
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      <div dir="ltr">
        <div class="gmail_default"
          style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">Hi
          Glen,</div>
        <div class="gmail_default"
          style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">Anyway,
          it works.</div>
        <div class="gmail_default"
          style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">I
          am trying to change drill size for a pin in PCB. I have tried
          :ChangeSize(SelectedPins, +2000) (how do I select a pin?) and
          Alt+s while I place the crossed lines on a pin, but nothing
          changes.</div>
        <div class="gmail_default"
          style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">If
          I succeed in changing the?? drill size (which by the way is
          called drill width), will the other dimensions (annular, etc)
          stay unchanged)?</div>
        <div class="gmail_default"
          style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">best
          regards</div>
        <div class="gmail_default"
          style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">torben<br>
        </div>
      </div>
      <br>
      <div class="gmail_quote">
        <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Aug 5, 2019 at 1:38 PM
          Glen W. Ruch (<a href="mailto:gw DOT ruch AT yahoo DOT com"
            moz-do-not-send="true">gw DOT ruch AT yahoo DOT com</a>) [via <a
            href="mailto:geda-help AT delorie DOT com" moz-do-not-send="true">geda-help AT delorie DOT com</a>]
          &lt;<a href="mailto:geda-help AT delorie DOT com"
            moz-do-not-send="true">geda-help AT delorie DOT com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
        </div>
        <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px
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          <div bgcolor="#FFFFFF">
            <p>Torben:<br>
              <br>
              I am not seeing the issue.?? Probably because I did not
              receive Saturday's message with the attachment. <br>
              <br>
              At this point I cannot tell if you are installing from
              your distro's repositories or cloning the github for local
              compiling.<br>
              <br>
              If compiling locally, there are quite a number of -devel
              files that must be installed from your distro's repository
              before you can start the build process.<br>
              <br>
              Hope this helps<br>
            </p>
            <div class="gmail-m_5351962411090118364moz-cite-prefix">On
              8/5/19 5:43 AM, Torben Friis (<a
                class="gmail-m_5351962411090118364moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
                href="mailto:friistf AT gmail DOT com" target="_blank"
                moz-do-not-send="true">friistf AT gmail DOT com</a>) [via <a
                class="gmail-m_5351962411090118364moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
                href="mailto:geda-help AT delorie DOT com" target="_blank"
                moz-do-not-send="true">geda-help AT delorie DOT com</a>] wrote:<br>
            </div>
            <blockquote type="cite">
              <div dir="ltr">
                <div class="gmail_default"
                  style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">Hi
                  Erich and Glen,<br>
                  <br>
                  I have run the geda:gsch2pcb_tutorial again and I get
                  the same result.<br>
                  I have installed gtk2.0 (sudo apt-get install gtk2.0)
                  and have packages:<br>
                  <br>
                  ii ??gtk-update-ico 3.22.30-1ubu amd64 ?? ?? ?? ??icon
                  theme caching utility<br>
                  ii ??gtk2-engines-m 0.98.2-2ubun amd64 ?? ?? ??
                  ??cairo-based gtk+-2.0 theme engine<br>
                  ii ??gtk2-engines-p 2.24.32-1ubu amd64 ?? ?? ??
                  ??pixbuf-based theme for GTK+ 2.x<br>
                  ii ??gtk2.0-example 2.24.32-1ubu amd64 ?? ?? ??
                  ??example files for GTK+ 2.0<br>
                  <br>
                  and:<br>
                  <br>
                  ii ??pcb ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ??1:4.0.2-4 ?? ??all ?? ?? ??
                  ?? ??printed circuit board (pcb) desig<br>
                  ii ??pcb-common ?? ?? 1:4.0.2-4 ?? ??all ?? ?? ?? ??
                  ??printed circuit board (pcb) desig<br>
                  ii ??pcb-gtk ?? ?? ?? ??1:4.0.2-4 ?? ??amd64 ?? ?? ??
                  ??printed circuit board (pcb) desig<br>
                  ii ??pcb-lesstif ?? ??1:4.0.2-4 ?? ??amd64 ?? ?? ??
                  ??printed circuit board (pcb) desig<br>
                  <br>
                  The board.pcb file starts:<br>
                  <br>
                  torben AT torben-Aspire-E5-773G:~/gaf/myproject1$ cat
                  board.pcb<br>
                  # release: pcb 1.99x<br>
                  # To read pcb files, the pcb version (or the cvs
                  source date) must be &gt;= the file version<br>
                  FileVersion[20070407]<br>
                  PCB["" 600000 500000]<br>
                  Grid[10000.000000 0 0 0]<br>
                  Cursor[0 0 0.000000]<br>
                  PolyArea[200000000.000000]<br>
                  Thermal[0.500000]<br>
                  DRC[1000 1000 1000 1000 1500 1000]<br>
                  Flags("nameonpcb,uniquename,clearnew,snappin")<br>
                  Groups("1,c:2:3:4:5:6,s:7:8")<br>
Styles["Signal,1000,3600,2000,1000:Power,2500,6000,3500,1000:Fat,4000,6000,3500,1000:Skinny,600,2402,1181,600"]<br>
                  Element(0x00 "TO92" "Q201" "2N3904" 0 0 0 100 0x00)<br>
                  (<br>
                  Pin(250 200 72 42 "1" 0x101)<br>
                  .<br>
                  .<br>
                  .<br>
                  <br>
                  Can you see anything wrong?<br>
                  It's a real mystery.<br>
                  best regards<br>
                  torben<br>
                </div>
              </div>
              <br>
              <div class="gmail_quote">
                <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, Aug 3, 2019 at
                  4:46 PM Torben Friis &lt;<a
                    href="mailto:friistf AT gmail DOT com" target="_blank"
                    moz-do-not-send="true">friistf AT gmail DOT com</a>&gt;
                  wrote:<br>
                </div>
                <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px
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                  rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
                  <div dir="ltr">
                    <div class="gmail_default"
                      style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">Hi
                      Erich and Glen,</div>
                    <div class="gmail_default"
                      style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">I
                      have started from scratch (uninstalling -
                      installing gEDA,?? restarting the computer.)
                      without using sudo and I have installed gtk (sudo
                      apt install gtk+3.0) and the result is shown in
                      the attached screen dump.</div>
                    <div class="gmail_default"
                      style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">Same
                      result, but there is something about gtk that I
                      may have misunderstood.</div>
                    <div class="gmail_default"
                      style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">best
                      regards<br>
                    </div>
                    <div class="gmail_default"
                      style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">torben<br>
                    </div>
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                  <br>
                  <div class="gmail_quote">
                    <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Aug 2,
                      2019 at 8:07 AM Glen W. Ruch (<a
                        href="mailto:gw DOT ruch AT yahoo DOT com" target="_blank"
                        moz-do-not-send="true">gw DOT ruch AT yahoo DOT com</a>)
                      [via <a href="mailto:geda-help AT delorie DOT com"
                        target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">geda-help AT delorie DOT com</a>]
                      &lt;<a href="mailto:geda-help AT delorie DOT com"
                        target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">geda-help AT delorie DOT com</a>&gt;
                      wrote:<br>
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                        <p>P.S.<br>
                          You may also want to do a <b>ls -l </b>(list
                          -long) to see how many files still belong to
                          you and how many belong to root.</p>
                        <p>You may want to <b>sudo chown</b> to move
                          the files back to the correct owner.</p>
                        <p>On my computer there is a difference between
                          the user default permissions and root's
                          default permissions.?? You may want to correct
                          the permissions with <b>sudo chmod</b><br>
                        </p>
                        <p>Regards.<br>
                        </p>
                        <p><br>
                        </p>
                        <div
class="gmail-m_5351962411090118364gmail-m_6568291093109405877gmail-m_-428759268849965292moz-cite-prefix">On
                          8/1/19 4:34 PM, Glen W. Ruch (<a
class="gmail-m_5351962411090118364gmail-m_6568291093109405877gmail-m_-428759268849965292moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
                            href="mailto:gw DOT ruch AT yahoo DOT com"
                            target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">gw DOT ruch AT yahoo DOT com</a>)
                          [via <a
class="gmail-m_5351962411090118364gmail-m_6568291093109405877gmail-m_-428759268849965292moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
                            href="mailto:geda-help AT delorie DOT com"
                            target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">geda-help AT delorie DOT com</a>]
                          wrote:<br>
                        </div>
                        <blockquote type="cite">
                          <p>Torben:</p>
                          <p>You should not have to use <i><b>sudo</b></i>
                            <i><b>(SuperUser DO) </b></i>as this
                            elevates you from your user level (torben)
                            to root user. <br>
                          </p>
                          <p>This may be causing issues where you are
                            saving files as user <i><b>torben</b></i>,
                            but when you become root, root's directory
                            may be checked for the file.</p>
                          <p>sudo is a dangerous tool and is meant to be
                            used for specific uses such as installing
                            software.?? Using it excessively can cause a
                            typo to have catastrophic consequences.??
                            When your computer is configured correctly
                            you should be able to run <i><b>gschem</b></i>
                            or <i><b>pcb</b></i> (etc.) with your own
                            user (torben) level privileges.</p>
                          <p>Hope this helps.<br>
                          </p>
                          <div
class="gmail-m_5351962411090118364gmail-m_6568291093109405877gmail-m_-428759268849965292moz-cite-prefix">On
                            7/30/19 7:11 AM, Torben Friis (<a
class="gmail-m_5351962411090118364gmail-m_6568291093109405877gmail-m_-428759268849965292moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
                              href="mailto:friistf AT gmail DOT com"
                              target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">friistf AT gmail DOT com</a>)
                            [via <a
class="gmail-m_5351962411090118364gmail-m_6568291093109405877gmail-m_-428759268849965292moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
                              href="mailto:geda-help AT delorie DOT com"
                              target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">geda-help AT delorie DOT com</a>]
                            wrote:<br>
                          </div>
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                              <div class="gmail_default"
                                style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">Hi,</div>
                              <div class="gmail_default"
                                style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">Is
                                Wilson's tutorial up-to-date? I run:<br>
                              </div>
                              <div class="gmail_default"
                                style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large"><br>
                              </div>
                              <div class="gmail_default"
                                style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">torben AT torben-Aspire-E5-773G:~/gaf/myproject3$
                                sudo gsch2pcb project</div>
                              <div class="gmail_default"
                                style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large"><br>
                              </div>
                              <div class="gmail_default"
                                style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">
                                with 2 resistors and get:<br>
                              </div>
                              <div class="gmail_default"
                                style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">----------------------------------<br>
                                Done processing.?? Work performed:<br>
                                2 file elements and 0 m4 elements added
                                to board.pcb.<br>
                                <br>
                                Next step:<br>
                                1.?? Run pcb on your file board.pcb.<br>
                                ?? ?? You will find all your footprints
                                in a bundle ready for you to place<br>
                                ?? ?? or disperse with "Select -&gt;
                                Disperse all elements" in PCB.<br>
                                <br>
                                2.?? From within PCB, select "File -&gt;
                                Load netlist file" and select <br>
                                ?? ?? <a href="http://board.net"
                                  target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">board.net</a>
                                to load the netlist.<br>
                                <br>
                                3.?? From within PCB, enter<br>
                                <br>
                                ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ??:ExecuteFile(board.cmd)<br>
                                <br>
                                ?? ?? to propagate the pin names of all
                                footprints to the layout.<br>
                              </div>
                              <div class="gmail_default"
                                style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large"><br>
                              </div>
                              <div class="gmail_default"
                                style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">I
                                then run:<br>
torben AT torben-Aspire-E5-773G:~/gaf/myproject3$ sudo pcb board.pcb<br>
                              </div>
                              <div class="gmail_default"
                                style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large"><br>
                              </div>
                              <div class="gmail_default"
                                style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">and
                                get:<br>
                              </div>
                              <div class="gmail_default"
                                style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">File
                                'board.pcb' has no font information,
                                using default font<br>
                              </div>
                              <div class="gmail_default"
                                style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">??<br>
                              </div>
                              <div class="gmail_default"
                                style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">I
                                then get the rather empty looking screen
                                shown attached.</div>
                              <div class="gmail_default"
                                style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large"><br>
                              </div>
                              <div class="gmail_default"
                                style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">I
                                can disperse the components and run the
                                netlist, but when I run</div>
                              <div class="gmail_default"
                                style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large"><br>
                              </div>
                              <div class="gmail_default"
                                style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">sudo
                                :ExecuteFile(board.cmd) (or
                                :ExecuteFile(board.cmd))</div>
                              <div class="gmail_default"
                                style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">??nothing
                                happens</div>
                              <div class="gmail_default"
                                style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large"><br>
                              </div>
                              <div class="gmail_default"
                                style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">Incidentally,
                                when I run:</div>
                              <div class="gmail_default"
                                style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large"><br>
                              </div>
                              <div class="gmail_default"
                                style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">sudo
                                gschem one.sch</div>
                              <div class="gmail_default"
                                style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large"><br>
                              </div>
                              <div class="gmail_default"
                                style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">the
                                curser moves to the next line. It looks
                                as if some input is expected. What?<br>
                              </div>
                              <div class="gmail_default"
                                style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large"><br>
                              </div>
                              <div><br>
                              </div>
                              <div>
                                <div
                                  style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large"
                                  class="gmail_default">Can anyone help?</div>
                                <div
                                  style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large"
                                  class="gmail_default">best regards</div>
                                <div
                                  style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large"
                                  class="gmail_default">torben</div>
                                <br>
                              </div>
                            </div>
                            <br>
                            <div class="gmail_quote">
                              <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu,
                                Feb 14, 2019 at 3:04 PM Torben Friis
                                &lt;<a href="mailto:friistf AT gmail DOT com"
                                  target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">friistf AT gmail DOT com</a>&gt;
                                wrote:<br>
                              </div>
                              <blockquote class="gmail_quote"
                                style="margin:0px 0px 0px
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                                  <div class="gmail_default"
                                    style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">Hi
                                    ,</div>
                                  <div class="gmail_default"
                                    style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">I
                                    have been looking fo the above
                                    element, but I cannot find it. I
                                    have been looking for .../newlib and
                                    found it in two places, but neither
                                    one appeared to provide it.</div>
                                  <div class="gmail_default"
                                    style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">Is
                                    there anywhere else I can look for
                                    it?</div>
                                  <div class="gmail_default"
                                    style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">torben<br>
                                  </div>
                                </div>
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