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The gEDA ecosysten does not proscribe pairing of footprints and symbols
like Eagle and some other EDA suites do.
You are free to associate a symbol's pins with whatever footprint you want.
I could even map an 8 pin inline header symbol to a DIP8 footprint if i
wanted to.
Using sudo to run gschem may also be causing issues, is potentially
dangerous as a routune practice, and should not be necessary.
If the scaling of a particular symbol seems wrong, it may just be a
rubbish, badly implemented symbol.
Regards,
Erich
On Tue, 30 Jul 2019 05:05 Torben Friis (friistf AT gmail DOT com) [via
geda-help AT delorie DOT com], <geda-help AT delorie DOT com> wrote:
> Hi Erich,
> The use of libraries is rather confusing. First, there appears to be quit=
e
> a few to select from if I want to use what is not in the standard library
> (introduce my own sym/fp pairs). Is it possible to indicate one to use?
> Second, there appears to be a lot more fp items than sym items. What do I
> do with fp items without a sym item? After all, it is the sym item I sele=
ct
> and I should then get the associated fp item automatically.
> torben
>
> On Thu, Jul 25, 2019 at 10:04 PM Torben Friis <friistf AT gmail DOT com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Erich,
>> I think that I have established my Linux OS OK and I have executed "sudo
>> apt-get install geda".
>>
>> I have done:
>>
>> torben AT torben-Aspire-E5-773G:~/gaf/myproject1$ sudo touch one.sch
>> torben AT torben-Aspire-E5-773G:~/gaf/myproject1$ sudo chmod 644 one.sch
>> torben AT torben-Aspire-E5-773G:~/gaf/myproject1$ ls -l
>> total 0
>> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Jul 25 21:21 one.sch
>> torben AT torben-Aspire-E5-773G:~/gaf/myproject1$ sudo gschem one.sch
>>
>> I get the one.sch - gschem screen as expected, but when I do
>> Add-Component I get a very tiny symbol in spite of the symbol shown in
>> Preview being normal size.
>>
>> I then proceed to click "View-Zoom Extents" and I get a large symbol
>> which I reduce in size (Shift-z) to make room for other symbols. When I =
add
>> other symbols they are normal size.
>>
>> Is that the way to do it?
>>
>> If I now do:
>> torben AT torben-Aspire-E5-773G:~/gaf/myproject1$ ls -l
>> total 8
>> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 719 Jul 25 21:54 one.sch
>> -r--r--r-- 1 root root 13 Jul 25 21:43 one.sch~
>>
>> Is that (one.sch~) OK?
>>
>> Is there a way to change the size of a single symbol?
>>
>> That was a lot of questions!
>> torben
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 10:41 PM Torben Friis <friistf AT gmail DOT com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Erich,
>>> I have had to install the newest version of Ubuntu - it has taken some
>>> time to figure out that it was necessary..
>>> torben
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 2:10 PM Erich Heinzle (a1039181 AT gmail DOT com) [via
>>> geda-help AT delorie DOT com] <geda-help AT delorie DOT com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Two possible errors come to mind.
>>>>
>>>> If you look at the templates i linked to previously, you can see how
>>>> PCB is told about the element directory, which in your case will be
>>>> "pcb-elements", by the various ....rc files, and check that yours are =
set
>>>> up right.
>>>>
>>>> You also need to ensure you have the footprint attributes attached to
>>>> your device symbols in the schematic, as previously described, or PCB =
will
>>>> not know which footprints are needed when parsing the netlist
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Erich.
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, 22 Jul 2019 20:55 Torben Friis (friistf AT gmail DOT com) [via
>>>> geda-help AT delorie DOT com], <geda-help AT delorie DOT com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Erich,
>>>>> That helped a lot!
>>>>> I now have:
>>>>>
>>>>> ls /home/torben/gaf/gschem-sym
>>>>> 2_SCREW_CONNECTOR.sym 3_SCREW_CONNECTOR.sym PICAXE-14M.sym
>>>>> ls /home/torben/gaf/pcb-elements
>>>>> DIP14.fp mors_2p.fp mors_3p.fp
>>>>>
>>>>> For Add-Component I get:
>>>>>
>>>>> >
>>>>> local
>>>>> > Basic devices
>>>>> .
>>>>> .
>>>>> .
>>>>>
>>>>> and when i double-click the empty space at the top, I get:
>>>>>
>>>>> 2_SCREW_CONNECTOR.sym
>>>>> 3_SCREW_CONNECTOR.sym
>>>>> PICAXE-14M
>>>>>
>>>>> Now I am supposed to enter:
>>>>>
>>>>> gschem one.sch
>>>>>
>>>>> When I do I get error messages about a missing one.sch and the curser
>>>>> goes to the next line. Actually that is not surprising considering th=
at
>>>>> that one.sch does not yet exist.
>>>>> When I then fill in the schema and run
>>>>> /home/torben/gaf/myproject3/gsch2pcb project I get the error message:
>>>>>
>>>>> No elements found, so nothing to do.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have saved one.sch so that is another surprise - can you help?
>>>>> best regards
>>>>> torben
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Jul 21, 2019 at 1:14 AM Erich Heinzle (a1039181 AT gmail DOT com)
>>>>> [via geda-help AT delorie DOT com] <geda-help AT delorie DOT com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Rather than learning to read the x and y coordinates in
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Pin[-20000 0 11810 2000 12610 4920 "0" "_1_" "square"]
>>>>>> Pin[0 0 11810 2000 12610 4920 "0" "_2_" ""]
>>>>>> Pin[20000 0 11810 2000 12610 4920 "0" "_3_" ""]
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The simplest thing is to open the footprint file in the layout edito=
r
>>>>>> and use the cursor and or the measure function to determine distance=
s.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you want to learn about the format, I recommend
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.ssalewski.de/PcbFootprintRef.txt
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Erich
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, 21 Jul 2019 06:37 Torben Friis (friistf AT gmail DOT com) [via
>>>>>> geda-help AT delorie DOT com], <geda-help AT delorie DOT com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Erich,
>>>>>>> Where do I find the hole spacing and the hole size in you fp:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Element["" "N MORS 3P " "" "" 0 0 0 -23000 0 100 ""]
>>>>>>> (
>>>>>>> ElementLine[-30000 18000 -30000 14000 1000]
>>>>>>> ElementLine[-30000 14000 30000 14000 1000]
>>>>>>> ElementLine[30000 14000 30000 18000 1000]
>>>>>>> ElementLine[30000 18000 -30000 18000 1000]
>>>>>>> ElementLine[-30000 -18000 -30000 -15000 1000]
>>>>>>> ElementLine[-30000 -18000 30000 -18000 1000]
>>>>>>> ElementLine[30000 -18000 30000 -15000 1000]
>>>>>>> ElementLine[-30000 15000 -30000 -15000 1000]
>>>>>>> ElementLine[30000 15000 30000 -15000 1000]
>>>>>>> Pin[-20000 0 11810 2000 12610 4920 "0" "_1_" "square"]
>>>>>>> Pin[0 0 11810 2000 12610 4920 "0" "_2_" ""]
>>>>>>> Pin[20000 0 11810 2000 12610 4920 "0" "_3_" ""]
>>>>>>> )
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> best regards
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> torben
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 20, 2019 at 2:25 PM Erich Heinzle (a1039181 AT gmail DOT com)
>>>>>>> [via geda-help AT delorie DOT com] <geda-help AT delorie DOT com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Good work on the file system.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I usually create a project directory and put my usual/frequently
>>>>>>>> used footprints in the packages or fp subdirectory, depending on t=
he naming
>>>>>>>> convention in the template being used.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The main thing is to ensure that the screw terminals you are usin=
g
>>>>>>>> are spaced 0.2 inches apart. The hole and annulus sizes can be eas=
ily
>>>>>>>> modified in the layout editor, but pin spacing is harder to modify=
in an
>>>>>>>> existing footprint. You should always check that footprints you so=
urce from
>>>>>>>> elsewhere have sane annuli and hole sizes before sending off the b=
oard for
>>>>>>>> fabrication.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You are right, any three pin symbol can map to a three pin
>>>>>>>> footprint, provided that the pin labels on the footprint are sane.
>>>>>>>> Sometimes imported symbols like the one you mention need to have t=
he pin
>>>>>>>> name changed to "1" instead of "_1_" etc... To make the netlist be=
have when
>>>>>>>> imported into the layout editor.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Erich
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sat, 20 Jul 2019 19:22 Torben Friis (friistf AT gmail DOT com) [via
>>>>>>>> geda-help AT delorie DOT com], <geda-help AT delorie DOT com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi Erich Heinzle,
>>>>>>>>> I solved the immediate problem by changing the file system to:.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> /home/torben/gaf/gschem-sym
>>>>>>>>> /home/torben/gaf/pcb-elements
>>>>>>>>> /home/torben/.gEDA/gafrc
>>>>>>>>> (cat /home/torben/.gEDA/gafrc
>>>>>>>>> (component-library-search "/home/torben/gaf/gschem-sym")
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> but I will setup my system as you have set up yours.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I need to have some screw terminals set up and I found yours:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> /user/erich_heinzle/kicad/footprints/w_conn_screw.mod/mors_3p.fp
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I could not find the corresponding sym file. Is there one?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I suppose I can use any(!) sym file as long as I set footprint to
>>>>>>>>> mors_3p.fp in the sym file and enter
>>>>>>>>> /user/erich_heinzle/kicad/footprints/w_conn_screw.mod/mors_3p.fp =
in the
>>>>>>>>> /home/torben/gaf/pcb-elements file?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The pins in my screw terminals are =C3=B8 1 mm - is that OK with
>>>>>>>>> mors_3p.fp (I dont know how to read a fp-file)?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> best regards
>>>>>>>>> torben
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 20, 2019 at 1:09 AM Erich Heinzle (a1039181 AT gmail DOT com=
)
>>>>>>>>> [via geda-help AT delorie DOT com] <geda-help AT delorie DOT com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Most users, myself included, set up a template, for a per-projec=
t
>>>>>>>>>> directory, which has the needed gafrc etc files, and subdirector=
ies with
>>>>>>>>>> their local foorprints and symbols.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> This keeps a given design safe from filesystem changes or change=
s
>>>>>>>>>> to elements subsequently.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It also means that once set up, it doesn't need to be thought
>>>>>>>>>> about much.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Here are some examples on github which should show you how to ai=
m
>>>>>>>>>> the layout editor at a partucular directory, i.e. "fp" or "packa=
ges" in
>>>>>>>>>> these examples
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/miloh/gEDA-git-template
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/nocko/gEDA-template
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/wojciechk8/geda-sym
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> These examples should show you how it can be done
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Erich.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 20 Jul 2019 01:16 Torben Friis (friistf AT gmail DOT com) [via
>>>>>>>>>> geda-help AT delorie DOT com], <geda-help AT delorie DOT com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Erich Heinzie,
>>>>>>>>>>> I think so. If I may reformulate it to show that I understand:
>>>>>>>>>>> The PICAXE14M.sym file contains a statement: footprint unknown.
>>>>>>>>>>> When I enter the symbol on the schematic I add the footprint at=
tribute
>>>>>>>>>>> DIP14. The PCB program then picks it up from tha Symbol file an=
d find the
>>>>>>>>>>> DIP14 footprint from /home/gaf/pcb-elements.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Then the files:
>>>>>>>>>>> /home/gaf/gschem-sym
>>>>>>>>>>> (ls /home/gaf/gschem-sym
>>>>>>>>>>> PICAXE-14M.sym)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> /home/gaf/pcb-elements
>>>>>>>>>>> (ls /home/gaf/pcb-elements
>>>>>>>>>>> DIP14.fp)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> /home/.gEDA/gafrc
>>>>>>>>>>> (cat /home/.gEDA/gafrc
>>>>>>>>>>> (component-library-search "/home/gaf/gschem-sym")
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> should do the job?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> But then, when I have filled in the files, how do I make the
>>>>>>>>>>> PICAXE14M.sym appear correctly in the add->component list?:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> > Basic devices
>>>>>>>>>>> > Connectors (generic)
>>>>>>>>>>> .
>>>>>>>>>>> .
>>>>>>>>>>> .
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I want to understand the stuff completely and really appreciate
>>>>>>>>>>> your help.
>>>>>>>>>>> best regards
>>>>>>>>>>> torben
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 12:41 PM Erich Heinzle (
>>>>>>>>>>> a1039181 AT gmail DOT com) [via geda-help AT delorie DOT com] <
>>>>>>>>>>> geda-help AT delorie DOT com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> In general, gschem is unaware of footprint file names, or the
>>>>>>>>>>>> details of any other attributes you attach to a symbol from a =
symbol library
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The usual procedure, after adding your symbol to the schematic
>>>>>>>>>>>> from a library, is to add an "attribute" to the symbol, in thi=
s case a
>>>>>>>>>>>> "footprint" attribute, equal to "DIP14"
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The schematic file will end up with an ectra attribute within
>>>>>>>>>>>> the picaxe instance, along the libes of
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "footprint=3DDIP18"
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The PCB layout editor, when you proceed to lay out uour design=
,
>>>>>>>>>>>> is the software that has an understanding of footprint attribu=
tes, and will
>>>>>>>>>>>> search its library paths for a DIP18
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Does that help?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Erich
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 19 Jul 2019 18:51 Torben Friis (friistf AT gmail DOT com)
>>>>>>>>>>>> [via geda-help AT delorie DOT com], <geda-help AT delorie DOT com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Erich Heinzie,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> It should have been:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> /home/gaf/DIP14.fp
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> (component-library-search "/home/gaf/gschem-sym") in the /hom=
e/.gEDA/gafrc file
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I still have the problem of having PICAXE14M not showing up i=
n the libraries list.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> When in http://www.gedasymbols.org/ i search for screw termin=
al I get a lot of .fp files, but no .sym files. How should they be handled?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is rather confusing.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> best regards
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> torben
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Jul 18, 2019 at 11:44 AM Torben Friis <
>>>>>>>>>>>>> friistf AT gmail DOT com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Erich Heinzie,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> After following your advice (a long time ago) I have the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> following:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> /home/gaf/gschem-sym/PICAXE-14M.sym
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> /home/gaf/pcb-elements/SIP3.fp
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (component-library-search "../gschem-sym") in the /home/.gED=
A$/gafrc file
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Should not PICAXE-14M show up in Libraries when I click Add-=
>Component in gEDA schmatic?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> best regards
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> torben
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 15, 2019 at 9:19 PM Erich Heinzle (
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a1039181 AT gmail DOT com) [via geda-help AT delorie DOT com] <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> geda-help AT delorie DOT com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.gedasymbols.org/user/erich_heinzle/symbols/PICAX=
E-14M.sym?dl
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The above link will download the raw symbol file as a .sym
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for use in the gschem schematic editor
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The DIP14 footprint required in the pcb layout editor will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be a .fp file and the raw file can be downloaded from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.gedasymbols.org/footprints/m4lib/DIP14.fp?dl
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You can place the respective files in the same directory as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your schematic and pcb layout, but most people will use ded=
icated
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> directories in their project directory for symbols and for =
footprints.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Erich
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 15 Feb 2019 02:34 Torben Friis (friistf AT gmail DOT com)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [via geda-help AT delorie DOT com] <geda-help AT delorie DOT com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I found DIP14:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> torben AT torben-Aspire-E5-773G:~$ cat /home/torben/gEDAsym
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.gedasymbols.org/footprints/m4lib.cgi?geda
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <here
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.gedasymbols.org/cvs.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It looks different from your file if I view it..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Where should I store the file you sent (if it is the file =
I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> should store)?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> torben
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Feb 14, 2019 at 3:26 PM Chad Parker (
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> parker DOT charles AT gmail DOT com) [via geda-help AT delorie DOT com] <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> geda-help AT delorie DOT com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.gedasymbols.org/user/erich_heinzle/symbols/PIC=
AXE-14M.sym
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It looks like the package is a 14-pin DIP, so "DIP14"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> should work as the footprint.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --Chad
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Feb 14, 2019 at 9:11 AM Torben Friis (
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> friistf AT gmail DOT com) [via geda-help AT delorie DOT com] <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> geda-help AT delorie DOT com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi ,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have been looking fo the above element, but I cannot
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> find it. I have been looking for .../newlib and found it=
in two places, but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> neither one appeared to provide it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is there anywhere else I can look for it?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> torben
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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<div dir=3D"auto"><div>The gEDA ecosysten does not proscribe pairing of foo=
tprints and symbols like Eagle and some other EDA suites do.<div dir=3D"aut=
o"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">You are free to associate a symbol's pin=
s with whatever footprint you want.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div d=
ir=3D"auto">I could even map an 8 pin inline header symbol to a DIP8 footpr=
int if i wanted to.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div>Using sudo to run gsch=
em may also be causing issues, is potentially dangerous as a routune practi=
ce, and should not be necessary.<br><br>If the scaling of a particular symb=
ol seems wrong, it may just be a rubbish, badly implemented symbol.</div><d=
iv dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Reg=
ards,</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Erich<br><br><div =
class=3D"gmail_quote" dir=3D"auto"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On=
Tue, 30 Jul 2019 05:05 Torben Friis (<a href=3D"mailto:friistf AT gmail DOT com">=
friistf AT gmail DOT com</a>) [via <a href=3D"mailto:geda-help AT delorie DOT com">geda-h=
elp AT delorie DOT com</a>], <<a href=3D"mailto:geda-help AT delorie DOT com">geda-hel=
p AT delorie DOT com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" sty=
le=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div d=
ir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetic=
a,sans-serif;font-size:large">Hi Erich,</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" s=
tyle=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">The use of =
libraries is rather confusing. First, there appears to be quite a few to se=
lect from if I want to use what is not in the standard library (introduce m=
y own sym/fp pairs). Is it possible to indicate one to use? Second, there a=
ppears to be a lot more fp items than sym items. What do I do with fp items=
without a sym item? After all, it is the sym item I select and I should th=
en get the associated fp item automatically.</div><div class=3D"gmail_defau=
lt" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">torben=
<br></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gm=
ail_attr">On Thu, Jul 25, 2019 at 10:04 PM Torben Friis <<a href=3D"mail=
to:friistf AT gmail DOT com" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">friistf AT gmail DOT co=
m</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin=
:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"=
><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,h=
elvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">Hi Erich,<br>I think that I have estab=
lished my Linux OS OK and I have executed "sudo apt-get install geda&q=
uot;.<br><br>I have done:<br><br>torben AT torben-Aspire-E5-773G:~/gaf/myproje=
ct1$ sudo touch one.sch<br>torben AT torben-Aspire-E5-773G:~/gaf/myproject1$ s=
udo chmod 644 one.sch<br>torben AT torben-Aspire-E5-773G:~/gaf/myproject1$ ls =
-l<br>total 0<br>-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Jul 25 21:21 one.sch<br>torben AT to=
rben-Aspire-E5-773G:~/gaf/myproject1$ sudo gschem one.sch<br><br>I get the =
one.sch - gschem screen as expected, but when I do Add-Component I get a ve=
ry tiny symbol =C2=A0in spite of the symbol shown in Preview being normal s=
ize.<br><br>I then proceed to click "View-Zoom Extents" and I get=
a large symbol which I reduce in size (Shift-z) to make room for other sym=
bols. When I add other symbols they are normal size.<br><br>Is that the way=
to do it?<br><br>If I now do:<br>torben AT torben-Aspire-E5-773G:~/gaf/myproj=
ect1$ ls -l<br>total 8<br>-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 719 Jul 25 21:54 one.sch<b=
r>-r--r--r-- 1 root root =C2=A013 Jul 25 21:43 one.sch~ <br><br>Is that (on=
e.sch~) OK?<br><br>Is there a way to change the size of a single symbol?<br=
><br>That was a lot of questions!<br>torben</div></div><br><div class=3D"gm=
ail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 10=
:41 PM Torben Friis <<a href=3D"mailto:friistf AT gmail DOT com" target=3D"_bla=
nk" rel=3D"noreferrer">friistf AT gmail DOT com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquot=
e class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px s=
olid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmai=
l_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large"=
><font size=3D"2">Hi Erich,</font></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=
=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large"><font size=3D"2=
">I have had to install the newest version of Ubuntu - it has taken some ti=
me to figure out that it was necessary..</font></div><div class=3D"gmail_de=
fault" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large"><fo=
nt size=3D"2">torben</font><br></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><=
div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 2:10 PM Erich =
Heinzle (<a href=3D"mailto:a1039181 AT gmail DOT com" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nor=
eferrer">a1039181 AT gmail DOT com</a>) [via <a href=3D"mailto:geda-help AT delorie DOT c=
om" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">geda-help AT delorie DOT com</a>] <<a =
href=3D"mailto:geda-help AT delorie DOT com" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">=
geda-help AT delorie DOT com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_qu=
ote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,20=
4);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto"><div>Two possible errors come to min=
d.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">If you look at the te=
mplates i linked to previously, you can see how PCB is told about the eleme=
nt directory, which in your case will be "pcb-elements", by the v=
arious ....rc files, and check that yours are set up right.</div><div dir=
=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">You also need to ensure you have the =
footprint attributes attached to your device symbols in the schematic, as p=
reviously described, or PCB will not know which footprints are needed when =
parsing the netlist</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Rega=
rds,</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Erich.<br><br><div =
class=3D"gmail_quote" dir=3D"auto"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On=
Mon, 22 Jul 2019 20:55 Torben Friis (<a href=3D"mailto:friistf AT gmail DOT com" =
rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">friistf AT gmail DOT com</a>) [via=
<a href=3D"mailto:geda-help AT delorie DOT com" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" tar=
get=3D"_blank">geda-help AT delorie DOT com</a>], <<a href=3D"mailto:geda-help@=
delorie.com" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">geda-help AT delo=
rie.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"=
margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-lef=
t:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:a=
rial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">Hi Erich,</div><div class=3D"gma=
il_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large=
">That helped a lot! <br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-f=
amily:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">I now have:</div><div cla=
ss=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-s=
ize:large"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:aria=
l,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">ls /home/torben/gaf/gschem-sym<br>2=
_SCREW_CONNECTOR.sym =C2=A03_SCREW_CONNECTOR.sym =C2=A0PICAXE-14M.sym</div>=
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-seri=
f;font-size:large">ls /home/torben/gaf/pcb-elements<br>DIP14.fp =C2=A0mors_=
2p.fp =C2=A0mors_3p.fp <br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font=
-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large"><br></div><div class=3D=
"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:l=
arge">For Add-Component I get:</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"f=
ont-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large"><br></div><div class=
=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-siz=
e:large">></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,=
helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">local</div><div class=3D"gmail_defaul=
t" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">> Ba=
sic devices</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,he=
lvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">.</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" sty=
le=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">.</div><div c=
lass=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font=
-size:large">.</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial=
,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_defaul=
t" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">and whe=
n i double-click the empty space at the top, I get:</div><div class=3D"gmai=
l_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large"=
><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetic=
a,sans-serif;font-size:large">2_SCREW_CONNECTOR.sym</div><div class=3D"gmai=
l_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large"=
>3_SCREW_CONNECTOR.sym</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-fami=
ly:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">PICAXE-14M</div><div class=
=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-siz=
e:large"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,=
helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">Now I am supposed to enter:</div><div=
class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;fo=
nt-size:large"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:=
arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">gschem one.sch</div><div class=
=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-siz=
e:large"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,=
helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">When I do I get error messages about =
a missing one.sch and the curser goes to the next line. Actually that is no=
t surprising considering that that one.sch does not yet exist.</div><div cl=
ass=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-=
size:large">When I then fill in the schema and run /home/torben/gaf/myproje=
ct3/gsch2pcb project I get the error message:</div><div class=3D"gmail_defa=
ult" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large"><br><=
/div><div><font size=3D"4">No elements found, so nothing to do</font>.</div=
><div><br></div><div><div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;f=
ont-size:large" class=3D"gmail_default">I have saved one.sch so that is ano=
ther surprise - can you help?</div><div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetic=
a,sans-serif;font-size:large" class=3D"gmail_default">best regards</div><di=
v style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large" class=3D=
"gmail_default">torben<br></div><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" styl=
e=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large"><br></div><div=
class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;fo=
nt-size:large"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:=
arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_d=
efault" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large"><b=
r></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,s=
ans-serif;font-size:large"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"=
font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large"><br></div><div clas=
s=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-si=
ze:large"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial=
,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_defaul=
t" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large"><br></d=
iv><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-s=
erif;font-size:large"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-=
family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large"><br></div><div class=3D"=
gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:la=
rge"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helv=
etica,sans-serif;font-size:large"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" st=
yle=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large"><br></div><d=
iv class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;=
font-size:large"><br></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D=
"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sun, Jul 21, 2019 at 1:14 AM Erich Heinzle (<=
a href=3D"mailto:a1039181 AT gmail DOT com" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer noreferre=
r" target=3D"_blank">a1039181 AT gmail DOT com</a>) [via <a href=3D"mailto:geda-he=
lp AT delorie DOT com" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">=
geda-help AT delorie DOT com</a>] <<a href=3D"mailto:geda-help AT delorie DOT com" rel=
=3D"noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">geda-help AT delorie DOT c=
om</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margi=
n:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex=
"><div dir=3D"auto"><div>Rather than learning to read the x and y coordinat=
es in=C2=A0</div><div dir=3D"auto"><pre>Pin[-20000 0 11810 2000 12610 4920 =
"0" "_1_" "square"]
Pin[0 0 11810 2000 12610 4920 "0" "_2_" ""]
Pin[20000 0 11810 2000 12610 4920 "0" "_3_" ""=
;]
</pre>The simplest thing is to open the footprint file in the layout editor=
and use the cursor and or the measure function to determine distances.</di=
v><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">If you want to learn about =
the format, I recommend</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">=
<a href=3D"http://www.ssalewski.de/PcbFootprintRef.txt" rel=3D"noreferrer n=
oreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">http://www.ssalewski.de/PcbFootprin=
tRef.txt</a><br></div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Regards=
,</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Erich<br><br><div clas=
s=3D"gmail_quote" dir=3D"auto"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sun=
, 21 Jul 2019 06:37 Torben Friis (<a href=3D"mailto:friistf AT gmail DOT com" rel=
=3D"noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">friistf@=
gmail.com</a>) [via <a href=3D"mailto:geda-help AT delorie DOT com" rel=3D"norefer=
rer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">geda-help AT delorie DOT c=
om</a>], <<a href=3D"mailto:geda-help AT delorie DOT com" rel=3D"noreferrer nor=
eferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">geda-help AT delorie DOT com</a>&=
gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0=
px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div =
dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-fam=
ily:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">Hi Erich,</div><div class=
=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-siz=
e:large">Where do I find the hole spacing and the hole size in you fp:</div=
><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-ser=
if;font-size:large"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-fa=
mily:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large"><pre>Element["" =
"N MORS 3P " "" "" 0 0 0 -23000 0 100 "&=
quot;]
(
ElementLine[-30000 18000 -30000 14000 1000]
ElementLine[-30000 14000 30000 14000 1000]
ElementLine[30000 14000 30000 18000 1000]
ElementLine[30000 18000 -30000 18000 1000]
ElementLine[-30000 -18000 -30000 -15000 1000]
ElementLine[-30000 -18000 30000 -18000 1000]
ElementLine[30000 -18000 30000 -15000 1000]
ElementLine[-30000 15000 -30000 -15000 1000]
ElementLine[30000 15000 30000 -15000 1000]
Pin[-20000 0 11810 2000 12610 4920 "0" "_1_" "squa=
re"]
Pin[0 0 11810 2000 12610 4920 "0" "_2_" ""]
Pin[20000 0 11810 2000 12610 4920 "0" "_3_" ""=
;]
)<br></pre><pre>best regards<br></pre><pre>torben<br></pre></div></div><br>=
<div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sat, Ju=
l 20, 2019 at 2:25 PM Erich Heinzle (<a href=3D"mailto:a1039181 AT gmail DOT com" =
rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_b=
lank">a1039181 AT gmail DOT com</a>) [via <a href=3D"mailto:geda-help AT delorie DOT com"=
rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_=
blank">geda-help AT delorie DOT com</a>] <<a href=3D"mailto:geda-help AT delorie DOT c=
om" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target=
=3D"_blank">geda-help AT delorie DOT com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=
=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rg=
b(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto"><div>Good work on the fi=
le system.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">I usually cre=
ate a project directory and put my usual/frequently used footprints in the =
packages or fp subdirectory, depending on the naming convention in the temp=
late being used.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">The mai=
n thing is to ensure that the=C2=A0 screw terminals you are using are space=
d 0.2 inches apart. The hole and annulus sizes can be easily modified in th=
e layout editor, but pin spacing is harder to modify in an existing footpri=
nt. You should always check that footprints you source from elsewhere have =
sane annuli and hole sizes before sending off the board for fabrication.</d=
iv><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">You are right, any three p=
in symbol can map to a three pin footprint, provided that the pin labels on=
the footprint are sane. Sometimes imported symbols like the one you mentio=
n need to have the pin name changed to "1" instead of "_1_&q=
uot; etc... To make the netlist behave when imported into the layout editor=
.<br><br>Regards,</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Erich<=
br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote" dir=3D"auto"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gm=
ail_attr">On Sat, 20 Jul 2019 19:22 Torben Friis (<a href=3D"mailto:friistf=
@gmail.com" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" =
target=3D"_blank">friistf AT gmail DOT com</a>) [via <a href=3D"mailto:geda-help AT d=
elorie.com" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" =
target=3D"_blank">geda-help AT delorie DOT com</a>], <<a href=3D"mailto:geda-he=
lp AT delorie DOT com" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferr=
er" target=3D"_blank">geda-help AT delorie DOT com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockq=
uote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1p=
x solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div style=3D"f=
ont-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">Hi Erich Heinzle,<br=
>I solved the immediate problem by changing the file system to:.<br><br><br=
>/home/torben/gaf/gschem-sym<br>/home/torben/gaf/pcb-elements<br>/home/torb=
en/.gEDA/gafrc<br>(cat /home/torben/.gEDA/gafrc<br>(component-library-searc=
h "/home/torben/gaf/gschem-sym")<br><br>but I will setup my syste=
m as you have set up yours.<br><br>I need to have some screw terminals set =
up and I found yours:<br><br>/user/erich_heinzle/kicad/footprints/w_conn_sc=
rew.mod/mors_3p.fp<br><br>I could not find the corresponding sym file. Is t=
here one?<br><br>I suppose I can use any(!) sym file as long as I set footp=
rint to mors_3p.fp in the sym file and enter /user/erich_heinzle/kicad/foot=
prints/w_conn_screw.mod/mors_3p.fp in the /home/torben/gaf/pcb-elements fil=
e?<br><br>The pins in my screw terminals are =C3=B8 1 mm - is that OK with =
mors_3p.fp (I dont know how to read a fp-file)?<br><br>best regards<br>torb=
en</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmai=
l_attr">On Sat, Jul 20, 2019 at 1:09 AM Erich Heinzle (<a href=3D"mailto:a1=
039181 AT gmail DOT com" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer norefe=
rrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">a1039181 AT gmail DOT com</a>) [via <a href=3D"=
mailto:geda-help AT delorie DOT com" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noref=
errer noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">geda-help AT delorie DOT com</a>] &=
lt;<a href=3D"mailto:geda-help AT delorie DOT com" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer no=
referrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">geda-help AT delo=
rie.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"=
margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-lef=
t:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto"><div dir=3D"auto">Most users, myself included, set=
up a template, for a per-project directory, which has the needed gafrc etc=
files, and subdirectories with their local foorprints and symbols.</div><d=
iv dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">This keeps a given design safe =
from filesystem changes or changes to elements subsequently.</div><div dir=
=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">It also means that once set up, it do=
esn't need to be thought about much.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><=
div dir=3D"auto">Here are some examples on github which should show you how=
to aim the layout editor at a partucular directory, i.e. "fp" or=
"packages" in these examples</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><d=
iv dir=3D"auto"><a href=3D"https://github.com/miloh/gEDA-git-template" rel=
=3D"noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" targ=
et=3D"_blank">https://github.com/miloh/gEDA-git-template</a><br></div><div =
dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto"><a href=3D"https://github.com/nock=
o/gEDA-template" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer norefer=
rer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://github.com/nocko/gEDA-template</a=
><br></div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto"><a href=3D"https:/=
/github.com/wojciechk8/geda-sym" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer no=
referrer noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://github.com/wojcie=
chk8/geda-sym</a><br></div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Th=
ese examples should show you how it can be done</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br>=
</div><div dir=3D"auto">Erich.</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><d=
iv dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sat, 20 Jul 2019 01:16 Torben Friis =
(<a href=3D"mailto:friistf AT gmail DOT com" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer noreferr=
er noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">friistf AT gmail DOT com</a=
>) [via <a href=3D"mailto:geda-help AT delorie DOT com" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferr=
er noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">geda-help=
@delorie.com</a>], <<a href=3D"mailto:geda-help AT delorie DOT com" rel=3D"nore=
ferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_b=
lank">geda-help AT delorie DOT com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gm=
ail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,=
204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div style=3D"font-family:arial=
,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">Hi Erich Heinzie,<br>I think so. If =
I may reformulate it to show that I understand:<br>The PICAXE14M.sym file c=
ontains a statement: footprint unknown. When I enter the symbol on the sche=
matic I add the footprint attribute DIP14. The PCB program then picks it up=
from tha Symbol file and find the DIP14 footprint from /home/gaf/pcb-eleme=
nts.<br><br>Then the files:<br>/home/gaf/gschem-sym<br>(ls /home/gaf/gschem=
-sym<br>PICAXE-14M.sym)<br><br>/home/gaf/pcb-elements<br>(ls /home/gaf/pcb-=
elements<br>DIP14.fp)<br><br>/home/.gEDA/gafrc<br>(cat /home/.gEDA/gafrc<br=
>(component-library-search "/home/gaf/gschem-sym")<br><br>should =
do the job?<br><br>But then, when I have filled in the files, how do I make=
the PICAXE14M.sym appear correctly in the add->component list?:<br><br>=
> Basic devices<br>> Connectors (generic)<br>.<br>.<br>.<br><br>I wan=
t to understand the stuff completely and really appreciate your help.<br>be=
st regards<br>torben</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"=
ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 12:41 PM Erich Heinzle (<=
a href=3D"mailto:a1039181 AT gmail DOT com" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer noreferre=
r noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">a1039181 AT g=
mail.com</a>) [via <a href=3D"mailto:geda-help AT delorie DOT com" rel=3D"noreferr=
er noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" targe=
t=3D"_blank">geda-help AT delorie DOT com</a>] <<a href=3D"mailto:geda-help AT del=
orie.com" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer nor=
eferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">geda-help AT delorie DOT com</a>> wrote:<=
br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8e=
x;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto=
">In general, gschem is unaware of footprint file names, or the details of =
any other attributes you attach to a symbol from a symbol library<div dir=
=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">The usual procedure, after adding you=
r symbol to the schematic from a library, is to add an "attribute"=
; to the symbol, in this case a "footprint" attribute, equal to &=
quot;DIP14"</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">The sch=
ematic file will end up with an ectra attribute within the picaxe instance,=
along the libes of</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">&quo=
t;footprint=3DDIP18"</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto=
">The PCB layout editor, when you proceed to lay out uour design, is the so=
ftware that has an understanding of footprint attributes, and will search i=
ts library paths for a DIP18=C2=A0</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div di=
r=3D"auto">Does that=C2=A0help?</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=
=3D"auto">Erich</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></di=
v></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr=
">On Fri, 19 Jul 2019 18:51 Torben Friis (<a href=3D"mailto:friistf AT gmail DOT c=
om" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferre=
r noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">friistf AT gmail DOT com</a>) [via <a href=3D"mail=
to:geda-help AT delorie DOT com" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferre=
r noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">geda-help AT delorie DOT com=
</a>], <<a href=3D"mailto:geda-help AT delorie DOT com" rel=3D"noreferrer noref=
errer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_bl=
ank">geda-help AT delorie DOT com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gma=
il_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,2=
04,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div style=3D"font-family:arial,=
helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">Hi Erich Heinzie,</div><div style=3D"=
font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">It should have been=
:</div><div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large=
"><br></div><div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:=
large">/home/gaf/DIP14.fp</div><div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sa=
ns-serif;font-size:large"><br></div><div style=3D"font-family:arial,helveti=
ca,sans-serif;font-size:large">and<br></div><div style=3D"font-family:arial=
,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large"><pre class=3D"m_5238814147715977608g=
mail-m_8055282110243183965gmail-m_-8272845942212335881gmail-m_3531693370077=
276139m_8589242386474172575m_-2140574496613393962gmail-m_186858054914838630=
4m_7413857808226013590m_189777687750480261gmail-m_7174615266101921091gmail-=
m_-6811915406325326106m_5811983186306912133gmail-m_-3548951900411599412m_-8=
691906944467973354gmail-m_1492610957059271095m_-7878935548540145437gmail-m_=
-5278762035596455616gmail-code">(component-library-search "/home/gaf/g=
schem-sym") in the /home/.gEDA/gafrc file<br><br></pre><pre class=3D"m=
_5238814147715977608gmail-m_8055282110243183965gmail-m_-8272845942212335881=
gmail-m_3531693370077276139m_8589242386474172575m_-2140574496613393962gmail=
-m_1868580549148386304m_7413857808226013590m_189777687750480261gmail-m_7174=
615266101921091gmail-m_-6811915406325326106m_5811983186306912133gmail-m_-35=
48951900411599412m_-8691906944467973354gmail-m_1492610957059271095m_-787893=
5548540145437gmail-m_-5278762035596455616gmail-code">I still have the probl=
em of having PICAXE14M not showing up in the libraries list.<br><br></pre><=
pre class=3D"m_5238814147715977608gmail-m_8055282110243183965gmail-m_-82728=
45942212335881gmail-m_3531693370077276139m_8589242386474172575m_-2140574496=
613393962gmail-m_1868580549148386304m_7413857808226013590m_1897776877504802=
61gmail-m_7174615266101921091gmail-m_-6811915406325326106m_5811983186306912=
133gmail-m_-3548951900411599412m_-8691906944467973354gmail-m_14926109570592=
71095m_-7878935548540145437gmail-m_-5278762035596455616gmail-code">When in =
<a href=3D"http://www.gedasymbols.org/" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer norefe=
rrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_bla=
nk">http://www.gedasymbols.org/</a> i search for screw terminal I get a lot=
of .fp files, but no .sym files. How should they be handled?<br></pre><pre=
class=3D"m_5238814147715977608gmail-m_8055282110243183965gmail-m_-82728459=
42212335881gmail-m_3531693370077276139m_8589242386474172575m_-2140574496613=
393962gmail-m_1868580549148386304m_7413857808226013590m_189777687750480261g=
mail-m_7174615266101921091gmail-m_-6811915406325326106m_5811983186306912133=
gmail-m_-3548951900411599412m_-8691906944467973354gmail-m_14926109570592710=
95m_-7878935548540145437gmail-m_-5278762035596455616gmail-code">It is rathe=
r confusing.<br></pre><pre class=3D"m_5238814147715977608gmail-m_8055282110=
243183965gmail-m_-8272845942212335881gmail-m_3531693370077276139m_858924238=
6474172575m_-2140574496613393962gmail-m_1868580549148386304m_74138578082260=
13590m_189777687750480261gmail-m_7174615266101921091gmail-m_-68119154063253=
26106m_5811983186306912133gmail-m_-3548951900411599412m_-869190694446797335=
4gmail-m_1492610957059271095m_-7878935548540145437gmail-m_-5278762035596455=
616gmail-code">best regards<br></pre><pre class=3D"m_5238814147715977608gma=
il-m_8055282110243183965gmail-m_-8272845942212335881gmail-m_353169337007727=
6139m_8589242386474172575m_-2140574496613393962gmail-m_1868580549148386304m=
_7413857808226013590m_189777687750480261gmail-m_7174615266101921091gmail-m_=
-6811915406325326106m_5811983186306912133gmail-m_-3548951900411599412m_-869=
1906944467973354gmail-m_1492610957059271095m_-7878935548540145437gmail-m_-5=
278762035596455616gmail-code">torben<br></pre><pre class=3D"m_5238814147715=
977608gmail-m_8055282110243183965gmail-m_-8272845942212335881gmail-m_353169=
3370077276139m_8589242386474172575m_-2140574496613393962gmail-m_18685805491=
48386304m_7413857808226013590m_189777687750480261gmail-m_717461526610192109=
1gmail-m_-6811915406325326106m_5811983186306912133gmail-m_-3548951900411599=
412m_-8691906944467973354gmail-m_1492610957059271095m_-7878935548540145437g=
mail-m_-5278762035596455616gmail-code"><br><br></pre></div></div><br><div c=
lass=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu, Jul 18, =
2019 at 11:44 AM Torben Friis <<a href=3D"mailto:friistf AT gmail DOT com" rel=
=3D"noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noref=
errer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">friistf AT gmail DOT com</a>> wrote:<br></d=
iv><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;bord=
er-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div =
style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">Hi Erich H=
einzie,</div><div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size=
:large">After following your advice (a long time ago) I have the following:=
</div><div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large"=
><br></div><div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:l=
arge">/home/gaf/gschem-sym/PICAXE-14M.sym</div><div style=3D"font-family:ar=
ial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">/home/gaf/pcb-elements/SIP3.fp</d=
iv><div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large"><p=
re class=3D"m_5238814147715977608gmail-m_8055282110243183965gmail-m_-827284=
5942212335881gmail-m_3531693370077276139m_8589242386474172575m_-21405744966=
13393962gmail-m_1868580549148386304m_7413857808226013590m_18977768775048026=
1gmail-m_7174615266101921091gmail-m_-6811915406325326106m_58119831863069121=
33gmail-m_-3548951900411599412m_-8691906944467973354gmail-m_149261095705927=
1095m_-7878935548540145437gmail-m_-5278762035596455616gmail-code">(componen=
t-library-search "../gschem-sym") in the /home/.gEDA$/gafrc file<=
br><br></pre><pre class=3D"m_5238814147715977608gmail-m_8055282110243183965=
gmail-m_-8272845942212335881gmail-m_3531693370077276139m_858924238647417257=
5m_-2140574496613393962gmail-m_1868580549148386304m_7413857808226013590m_18=
9777687750480261gmail-m_7174615266101921091gmail-m_-6811915406325326106m_58=
11983186306912133gmail-m_-3548951900411599412m_-8691906944467973354gmail-m_=
1492610957059271095m_-7878935548540145437gmail-m_-5278762035596455616gmail-=
code">Should not PICAXE-14M show up in Libraries when I click Add->Compo=
nent in gEDA schmatic?<br></pre><pre class=3D"m_5238814147715977608gmail-m_=
8055282110243183965gmail-m_-8272845942212335881gmail-m_3531693370077276139m=
_8589242386474172575m_-2140574496613393962gmail-m_1868580549148386304m_7413=
857808226013590m_189777687750480261gmail-m_7174615266101921091gmail-m_-6811=
915406325326106m_5811983186306912133gmail-m_-3548951900411599412m_-86919069=
44467973354gmail-m_1492610957059271095m_-7878935548540145437gmail-m_-527876=
2035596455616gmail-code">best regards<br></pre><pre class=3D"m_523881414771=
5977608gmail-m_8055282110243183965gmail-m_-8272845942212335881gmail-m_35316=
93370077276139m_8589242386474172575m_-2140574496613393962gmail-m_1868580549=
148386304m_7413857808226013590m_189777687750480261gmail-m_71746152661019210=
91gmail-m_-6811915406325326106m_5811983186306912133gmail-m_-354895190041159=
9412m_-8691906944467973354gmail-m_1492610957059271095m_-7878935548540145437=
gmail-m_-5278762035596455616gmail-code">torben<br></pre></div></div><br><di=
v class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Fri, Feb 1=
5, 2019 at 9:19 PM Erich Heinzle (<a href=3D"mailto:a1039181 AT gmail DOT com" rel=
=3D"noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noref=
errer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">a1039181 AT gmail DOT com</a>) [via <a href=3D=
"mailto:geda-help AT delorie DOT com" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer nore=
ferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">geda-=
help AT delorie DOT com</a>] <<a href=3D"mailto:geda-help AT delorie DOT com" rel=3D"n=
oreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer=
noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">geda-help AT delorie DOT com</a>> wrote:<br></di=
v><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;borde=
r-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto"><div>=
<a href=3D"http://www.gedasymbols.org/user/erich_heinzle/symbols/PICAXE-14M=
.sym?dl" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer nore=
ferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">http://www.gedasymbols.org/=
user/erich_heinzle/symbols/PICAXE-14M.sym?dl</a><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div=
><div dir=3D"auto">The above link will download the raw symbol file as a .s=
ym for use in the gschem schematic editor</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div>=
<div dir=3D"auto">The DIP14 footprint required in the pcb layout editor wil=
l be a .fp file and the raw file can be downloaded from</div><div dir=3D"au=
to"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto"><a href=3D"http://www.gedasymbols.org/footp=
rints/m4lib/DIP14.fp?dl" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer=
noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">http://www.=
gedasymbols.org/footprints/m4lib/DIP14.fp?dl</a><br></div><div dir=3D"auto"=
><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">You can place the respective files in the same=
directory as your schematic and pcb layout, but most people will use dedic=
ated directories in their project directory for symbols and for footprints.=
</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Regards,</div><div dir=
=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Erich</div><br><br><div class=3D"gmai=
l_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr">On Fri, 15 Feb 2019 02:34 Torben Friis (<a href=
=3D"mailto:friistf AT gmail DOT com" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noref=
errer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">friist=
f AT gmail DOT com</a>) [via <a href=3D"mailto:geda-help AT delorie DOT com" rel=3D"noref=
errer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer nor=
eferrer" target=3D"_blank">geda-help AT delorie DOT com</a>] <<a href=3D"mailto=
:geda-help AT delorie DOT com" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer =
noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">geda-help AT de=
lorie.com</a> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"ma=
rgin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:=
1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div style=3D"font-family:arial,helv=
etica,sans-serif;font-size:large">Hi,</div><div style=3D"font-family:arial,=
helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">I found DIP14:</div><div style=3D"fon=
t-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large"><br></div><div style=
=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">torben AT torben-A=
spire-E5-773G:~$ cat /home/torben/gEDAsym<br><a href=3D"http://www.gedasymb=
ols.org/footprints/m4lib.cgi?geda" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer =
noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target=
=3D"_blank">http://www.gedasymbols.org/footprints/m4lib.cgi?geda</a>=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 <here<br><br><a href=3D"http://w=
ww.gedasymbols.org/cvs.html" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer norefe=
rrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_bla=
nk">http://www.gedasymbols.org/cvs.html</a></div><div style=3D"font-family:=
arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large"><br></div><div style=3D"font-fa=
mily:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">It looks different from yo=
ur file if I view it..</div><div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-=
serif;font-size:large"><br></div><div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,=
sans-serif;font-size:large">Where should I store the file you sent (if it i=
s the file I should store)?</div><div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,=
sans-serif;font-size:large">torben<br></div></div></div><br><div class=3D"g=
mail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu, Feb 14, 2019 at 3=
:26 PM Chad Parker (<a href=3D"mailto:parker DOT charles AT gmail DOT com" rel=3D"nore=
ferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer no=
referrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">parker DOT charles AT gmail DOT com</a>) [via <=
a href=3D"mailto:geda-help AT delorie DOT com" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer norefe=
rrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" tar=
get=3D"_blank">geda-help AT delorie DOT com</a>] <<a href=3D"mailto:geda-help AT d=
elorie.com" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer n=
oreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">geda-help AT del=
orie.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D=
"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-le=
ft:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><a hre=
f=3D"http://www.gedasymbols.org/user/erich_heinzle/symbols/PICAXE-14M.sym" =
rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer no=
referrer noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">http://www.gedasymbols.or=
g/user/erich_heinzle/symbols/PICAXE-14M.sym</a></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><=
/div><div>It looks like the package is a 14-pin DIP, so "DIP14" s=
hould work as the footprint.<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div>Cheer=
s,</div><div>--Chad<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div></div><br><div clas=
s=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu, Feb 14, 201=
9 at 9:11 AM Torben Friis (<a href=3D"mailto:friistf AT gmail DOT com" rel=3D"nore=
ferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer no=
referrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">friistf AT gmail DOT com</a>) [via <a href=
=3D"mailto:geda-help AT delorie DOT com" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer n=
oreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D=
"_blank">geda-help AT delorie DOT com</a>] <<a href=3D"mailto:geda-help AT delorie=
.com" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer norefer=
rer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">geda-help AT delorie DOT c=
om</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margi=
n:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex=
"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;fon=
t-size:large">Hi ,</div><div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-seri=
f;font-size:large">I have been looking fo the above element, but I cannot f=
ind it. I have been looking for .../newlib and found it in two places, but =
neither one appeared to provide it.</div><div style=3D"font-family:arial,he=
lvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">Is there anywhere else I can look for i=
t?</div><div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:larg=
e">torben<br></div></div>
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