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Hi Erich,
I think that I have established my Linux OS OK and I have executed "sudo
apt-get install geda".
I have done:
torben AT torben-Aspire-E5-773G:~/gaf/myproject1$ sudo touch one.sch
torben AT torben-Aspire-E5-773G:~/gaf/myproject1$ sudo chmod 644 one.sch
torben AT torben-Aspire-E5-773G:~/gaf/myproject1$ ls -l
total 0
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Jul 25 21:21 one.sch
torben AT torben-Aspire-E5-773G:~/gaf/myproject1$ sudo gschem one.sch
I get the one.sch - gschem screen as expected, but when I do Add-Component
I get a very tiny symbol in spite of the symbol shown in Preview being
normal size.
I then proceed to click "View-Zoom Extents" and I get a large symbol which
I reduce in size (Shift-z) to make room for other symbols. When I add other
symbols they are normal size.
Is that the way to do it?
If I now do:
torben AT torben-Aspire-E5-773G:~/gaf/myproject1$ ls -l
total 8
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 719 Jul 25 21:54 one.sch
-r--r--r-- 1 root root 13 Jul 25 21:43 one.sch~
Is that (one.sch~) OK?
Is there a way to change the size of a single symbol?
That was a lot of questions!
torben
On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 10:41 PM Torben Friis <friistf AT gmail DOT com> wrote:
> Hi Erich,
> I have had to install the newest version of Ubuntu - it has taken some
> time to figure out that it was necessary..
> torben
>
> On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 2:10 PM Erich Heinzle (a1039181 AT gmail DOT com) [via
> geda-help AT delorie DOT com] <geda-help AT delorie DOT com> wrote:
>
>> Two possible errors come to mind.
>>
>> If you look at the templates i linked to previously, you can see how PCB
>> is told about the element directory, which in your case will be
>> "pcb-elements", by the various ....rc files, and check that yours are se=
t
>> up right.
>>
>> You also need to ensure you have the footprint attributes attached to
>> your device symbols in the schematic, as previously described, or PCB wi=
ll
>> not know which footprints are needed when parsing the netlist
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Erich.
>>
>> On Mon, 22 Jul 2019 20:55 Torben Friis (friistf AT gmail DOT com) [via
>> geda-help AT delorie DOT com], <geda-help AT delorie DOT com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Erich,
>>> That helped a lot!
>>> I now have:
>>>
>>> ls /home/torben/gaf/gschem-sym
>>> 2_SCREW_CONNECTOR.sym 3_SCREW_CONNECTOR.sym PICAXE-14M.sym
>>> ls /home/torben/gaf/pcb-elements
>>> DIP14.fp mors_2p.fp mors_3p.fp
>>>
>>> For Add-Component I get:
>>>
>>> >
>>> local
>>> > Basic devices
>>> .
>>> .
>>> .
>>>
>>> and when i double-click the empty space at the top, I get:
>>>
>>> 2_SCREW_CONNECTOR.sym
>>> 3_SCREW_CONNECTOR.sym
>>> PICAXE-14M
>>>
>>> Now I am supposed to enter:
>>>
>>> gschem one.sch
>>>
>>> When I do I get error messages about a missing one.sch and the curser
>>> goes to the next line. Actually that is not surprising considering that
>>> that one.sch does not yet exist.
>>> When I then fill in the schema and run
>>> /home/torben/gaf/myproject3/gsch2pcb project I get the error message:
>>>
>>> No elements found, so nothing to do.
>>>
>>> I have saved one.sch so that is another surprise - can you help?
>>> best regards
>>> torben
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jul 21, 2019 at 1:14 AM Erich Heinzle (a1039181 AT gmail DOT com) [via
>>> geda-help AT delorie DOT com] <geda-help AT delorie DOT com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Rather than learning to read the x and y coordinates in
>>>>
>>>> Pin[-20000 0 11810 2000 12610 4920 "0" "_1_" "square"]
>>>> Pin[0 0 11810 2000 12610 4920 "0" "_2_" ""]
>>>> Pin[20000 0 11810 2000 12610 4920 "0" "_3_" ""]
>>>>
>>>> The simplest thing is to open the footprint file in the layout editor
>>>> and use the cursor and or the measure function to determine distances.
>>>>
>>>> If you want to learn about the format, I recommend
>>>>
>>>> http://www.ssalewski.de/PcbFootprintRef.txt
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Erich
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, 21 Jul 2019 06:37 Torben Friis (friistf AT gmail DOT com) [via
>>>> geda-help AT delorie DOT com], <geda-help AT delorie DOT com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Erich,
>>>>> Where do I find the hole spacing and the hole size in you fp:
>>>>>
>>>>> Element["" "N MORS 3P " "" "" 0 0 0 -23000 0 100 ""]
>>>>> (
>>>>> ElementLine[-30000 18000 -30000 14000 1000]
>>>>> ElementLine[-30000 14000 30000 14000 1000]
>>>>> ElementLine[30000 14000 30000 18000 1000]
>>>>> ElementLine[30000 18000 -30000 18000 1000]
>>>>> ElementLine[-30000 -18000 -30000 -15000 1000]
>>>>> ElementLine[-30000 -18000 30000 -18000 1000]
>>>>> ElementLine[30000 -18000 30000 -15000 1000]
>>>>> ElementLine[-30000 15000 -30000 -15000 1000]
>>>>> ElementLine[30000 15000 30000 -15000 1000]
>>>>> Pin[-20000 0 11810 2000 12610 4920 "0" "_1_" "square"]
>>>>> Pin[0 0 11810 2000 12610 4920 "0" "_2_" ""]
>>>>> Pin[20000 0 11810 2000 12610 4920 "0" "_3_" ""]
>>>>> )
>>>>>
>>>>> best regards
>>>>>
>>>>> torben
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Jul 20, 2019 at 2:25 PM Erich Heinzle (a1039181 AT gmail DOT com)
>>>>> [via geda-help AT delorie DOT com] <geda-help AT delorie DOT com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Good work on the file system.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I usually create a project directory and put my usual/frequently use=
d
>>>>>> footprints in the packages or fp subdirectory, depending on the nami=
ng
>>>>>> convention in the template being used.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The main thing is to ensure that the screw terminals you are using
>>>>>> are spaced 0.2 inches apart. The hole and annulus sizes can be easil=
y
>>>>>> modified in the layout editor, but pin spacing is harder to modify i=
n an
>>>>>> existing footprint. You should always check that footprints you sour=
ce from
>>>>>> elsewhere have sane annuli and hole sizes before sending off the boa=
rd for
>>>>>> fabrication.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You are right, any three pin symbol can map to a three pin footprint=
,
>>>>>> provided that the pin labels on the footprint are sane. Sometimes im=
ported
>>>>>> symbols like the one you mention need to have the pin name changed t=
o "1"
>>>>>> instead of "_1_" etc... To make the netlist behave when imported int=
o the
>>>>>> layout editor.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Erich
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, 20 Jul 2019 19:22 Torben Friis (friistf AT gmail DOT com) [via
>>>>>> geda-help AT delorie DOT com], <geda-help AT delorie DOT com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Erich Heinzle,
>>>>>>> I solved the immediate problem by changing the file system to:.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> /home/torben/gaf/gschem-sym
>>>>>>> /home/torben/gaf/pcb-elements
>>>>>>> /home/torben/.gEDA/gafrc
>>>>>>> (cat /home/torben/.gEDA/gafrc
>>>>>>> (component-library-search "/home/torben/gaf/gschem-sym")
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> but I will setup my system as you have set up yours.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I need to have some screw terminals set up and I found yours:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> /user/erich_heinzle/kicad/footprints/w_conn_screw.mod/mors_3p.fp
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I could not find the corresponding sym file. Is there one?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I suppose I can use any(!) sym file as long as I set footprint to
>>>>>>> mors_3p.fp in the sym file and enter
>>>>>>> /user/erich_heinzle/kicad/footprints/w_conn_screw.mod/mors_3p.fp in=
the
>>>>>>> /home/torben/gaf/pcb-elements file?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The pins in my screw terminals are =C3=B8 1 mm - is that OK with
>>>>>>> mors_3p.fp (I dont know how to read a fp-file)?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> best regards
>>>>>>> torben
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 20, 2019 at 1:09 AM Erich Heinzle (a1039181 AT gmail DOT com)
>>>>>>> [via geda-help AT delorie DOT com] <geda-help AT delorie DOT com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Most users, myself included, set up a template, for a per-project
>>>>>>>> directory, which has the needed gafrc etc files, and subdirectorie=
s with
>>>>>>>> their local foorprints and symbols.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This keeps a given design safe from filesystem changes or changes
>>>>>>>> to elements subsequently.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It also means that once set up, it doesn't need to be thought abou=
t
>>>>>>>> much.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Here are some examples on github which should show you how to aim
>>>>>>>> the layout editor at a partucular directory, i.e. "fp" or "package=
s" in
>>>>>>>> these examples
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://github.com/miloh/gEDA-git-template
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://github.com/nocko/gEDA-template
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://github.com/wojciechk8/geda-sym
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> These examples should show you how it can be done
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Erich.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sat, 20 Jul 2019 01:16 Torben Friis (friistf AT gmail DOT com) [via
>>>>>>>> geda-help AT delorie DOT com], <geda-help AT delorie DOT com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi Erich Heinzie,
>>>>>>>>> I think so. If I may reformulate it to show that I understand:
>>>>>>>>> The PICAXE14M.sym file contains a statement: footprint unknown.
>>>>>>>>> When I enter the symbol on the schematic I add the footprint attr=
ibute
>>>>>>>>> DIP14. The PCB program then picks it up from tha Symbol file and =
find the
>>>>>>>>> DIP14 footprint from /home/gaf/pcb-elements.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Then the files:
>>>>>>>>> /home/gaf/gschem-sym
>>>>>>>>> (ls /home/gaf/gschem-sym
>>>>>>>>> PICAXE-14M.sym)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> /home/gaf/pcb-elements
>>>>>>>>> (ls /home/gaf/pcb-elements
>>>>>>>>> DIP14.fp)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> /home/.gEDA/gafrc
>>>>>>>>> (cat /home/.gEDA/gafrc
>>>>>>>>> (component-library-search "/home/gaf/gschem-sym")
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> should do the job?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> But then, when I have filled in the files, how do I make the
>>>>>>>>> PICAXE14M.sym appear correctly in the add->component list?:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> > Basic devices
>>>>>>>>> > Connectors (generic)
>>>>>>>>> .
>>>>>>>>> .
>>>>>>>>> .
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I want to understand the stuff completely and really appreciate
>>>>>>>>> your help.
>>>>>>>>> best regards
>>>>>>>>> torben
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 12:41 PM Erich Heinzle (a1039181 AT gmail DOT co=
m)
>>>>>>>>> [via geda-help AT delorie DOT com] <geda-help AT delorie DOT com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> In general, gschem is unaware of footprint file names, or the
>>>>>>>>>> details of any other attributes you attach to a symbol from a sy=
mbol library
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The usual procedure, after adding your symbol to the schematic
>>>>>>>>>> from a library, is to add an "attribute" to the symbol, in this =
case a
>>>>>>>>>> "footprint" attribute, equal to "DIP14"
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The schematic file will end up with an ectra attribute within th=
e
>>>>>>>>>> picaxe instance, along the libes of
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "footprint=3DDIP18"
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The PCB layout editor, when you proceed to lay out uour design,
>>>>>>>>>> is the software that has an understanding of footprint attribute=
s, and will
>>>>>>>>>> search its library paths for a DIP18
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Does that help?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Erich
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 19 Jul 2019 18:51 Torben Friis (friistf AT gmail DOT com) [via
>>>>>>>>>> geda-help AT delorie DOT com], <geda-help AT delorie DOT com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Erich Heinzie,
>>>>>>>>>>> It should have been:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> /home/gaf/DIP14.fp
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> (component-library-search "/home/gaf/gschem-sym") in the /home/=
.gEDA/gafrc file
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I still have the problem of having PICAXE14M not showing up in =
the libraries list.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> When in http://www.gedasymbols.org/ i search for screw terminal=
I get a lot of .fp files, but no .sym files. How should they be handled?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> It is rather confusing.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> best regards
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> torben
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Jul 18, 2019 at 11:44 AM Torben Friis <friistf AT gmail DOT co=
m>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Erich Heinzie,
>>>>>>>>>>>> After following your advice (a long time ago) I have the
>>>>>>>>>>>> following:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> /home/gaf/gschem-sym/PICAXE-14M.sym
>>>>>>>>>>>> /home/gaf/pcb-elements/SIP3.fp
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> (component-library-search "../gschem-sym") in the /home/.gEDA$=
/gafrc file
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Should not PICAXE-14M show up in Libraries when I click Add->C=
omponent in gEDA schmatic?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> best regards
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> torben
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 15, 2019 at 9:19 PM Erich Heinzle (
>>>>>>>>>>>> a1039181 AT gmail DOT com) [via geda-help AT delorie DOT com] <
>>>>>>>>>>>> geda-help AT delorie DOT com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.gedasymbols.org/user/erich_heinzle/symbols/PICAXE-=
14M.sym?dl
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The above link will download the raw symbol file as a .sym fo=
r
>>>>>>>>>>>>> use in the gschem schematic editor
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The DIP14 footprint required in the pcb layout editor will be
>>>>>>>>>>>>> a .fp file and the raw file can be downloaded from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.gedasymbols.org/footprints/m4lib/DIP14.fp?dl
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> You can place the respective files in the same directory as
>>>>>>>>>>>>> your schematic and pcb layout, but most people will use dedic=
ated
>>>>>>>>>>>>> directories in their project directory for symbols and for fo=
otprints.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Erich
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 15 Feb 2019 02:34 Torben Friis (friistf AT gmail DOT com)
>>>>>>>>>>>>> [via geda-help AT delorie DOT com] <geda-help AT delorie DOT com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I found DIP14:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> torben AT torben-Aspire-E5-773G:~$ cat /home/torben/gEDAsym
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.gedasymbols.org/footprints/m4lib.cgi?geda
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <here
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.gedasymbols.org/cvs.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It looks different from your file if I view it..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Where should I store the file you sent (if it is the file I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> should store)?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> torben
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Feb 14, 2019 at 3:26 PM Chad Parker (
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> parker DOT charles AT gmail DOT com) [via geda-help AT delorie DOT com] <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> geda-help AT delorie DOT com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.gedasymbols.org/user/erich_heinzle/symbols/PICAX=
E-14M.sym
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It looks like the package is a 14-pin DIP, so "DIP14" shoul=
d
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> work as the footprint.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --Chad
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Feb 14, 2019 at 9:11 AM Torben Friis (
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> friistf AT gmail DOT com) [via geda-help AT delorie DOT com] <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> geda-help AT delorie DOT com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi ,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have been looking fo the above element, but I cannot fin=
d
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it. I have been looking for .../newlib and found it in two=
places, but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> neither one appeared to provide it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is there anywhere else I can look for it?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> torben
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,he=
lvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">Hi Erich,<br>I think that I have establ=
ished my Linux OS OK and I have executed "sudo apt-get install geda&qu=
ot;.<br><br>I have done:<br><br>torben AT torben-Aspire-E5-773G:~/gaf/myprojec=
t1$ sudo touch one.sch<br>torben AT torben-Aspire-E5-773G:~/gaf/myproject1$ su=
do chmod 644 one.sch<br>torben AT torben-Aspire-E5-773G:~/gaf/myproject1$ ls -=
l<br>total 0<br>-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Jul 25 21:21 one.sch<br>torben AT tor=
ben-Aspire-E5-773G:~/gaf/myproject1$ sudo gschem one.sch<br><br>I get the o=
ne.sch - gschem screen as expected, but when I do Add-Component I get a ver=
y tiny symbol =C2=A0in spite of the symbol shown in Preview being normal si=
ze.<br><br>I then proceed to click "View-Zoom Extents" and I get =
a large symbol which I reduce in size (Shift-z) to make room for other symb=
ols. When I add other symbols they are normal size.<br><br>Is that the way =
to do it?<br><br>If I now do:<br>torben AT torben-Aspire-E5-773G:~/gaf/myproje=
ct1$ ls -l<br>total 8<br>-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 719 Jul 25 21:54 one.sch<br=
>-r--r--r-- 1 root root =C2=A013 Jul 25 21:43 one.sch~ <br><br>Is that (one=
.sch~) OK?<br><br>Is there a way to change the size of a single symbol?<br>=
<br>That was a lot of questions!<br>torben</div></div><br><div class=3D"gma=
il_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 10:=
41 PM Torben Friis <<a href=3D"mailto:friistf AT gmail DOT com">friistf AT gmail DOT c=
om</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margi=
n:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex=
"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,=
helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large"><font size=3D"2">Hi Erich,</font></di=
v><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-se=
rif;font-size:large"><font size=3D"2">I have had to install the newest vers=
ion of Ubuntu - it has taken some time to figure out that it was necessary.=
.</font></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helve=
tica,sans-serif;font-size:large"><font size=3D"2">torben</font><br></div></=
div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On=
Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 2:10 PM Erich Heinzle (<a href=3D"mailto:a1039181 AT gma=
il.com" target=3D"_blank">a1039181 AT gmail DOT com</a>) [via <a href=3D"mailto:ge=
da-help AT delorie DOT com" target=3D"_blank">geda-help AT delorie DOT com</a>] <<a hr=
ef=3D"mailto:geda-help AT delorie DOT com" target=3D"_blank">geda-help AT delorie DOT com=
</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:=
0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">=
<div dir=3D"auto"><div>Two possible errors come to mind.</div><div dir=3D"a=
uto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">If you look at the templates i linked to p=
reviously, you can see how PCB is told about the element directory, which i=
n your case will be "pcb-elements", by the various ....rc files, =
and check that yours are set up right.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><di=
v dir=3D"auto">You also need to ensure you have the footprint attributes at=
tached to your device symbols in the schematic, as previously described, or=
PCB will not know which footprints are needed when parsing the netlist</di=
v><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Regards,</div><div dir=3D"a=
uto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Erich.<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote" d=
ir=3D"auto"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, 22 Jul 2019 20:55=
Torben Friis (<a href=3D"mailto:friistf AT gmail DOT com" rel=3D"noreferrer" targ=
et=3D"_blank">friistf AT gmail DOT com</a>) [via <a href=3D"mailto:geda-help AT delor=
ie.com" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">geda-help AT delorie DOT com</a>], &l=
t;<a href=3D"mailto:geda-help AT delorie DOT com" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_bl=
ank">geda-help AT delorie DOT com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gma=
il_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,2=
04,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" sty=
le=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">Hi Erich,</di=
v><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-se=
rif;font-size:large">That helped a lot! <br></div><div class=3D"gmail_defau=
lt" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">I now =
have:</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetic=
a,sans-serif;font-size:large"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=
=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">ls /home/torben=
/gaf/gschem-sym<br>2_SCREW_CONNECTOR.sym =C2=A03_SCREW_CONNECTOR.sym =C2=A0=
PICAXE-14M.sym</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial=
,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">ls /home/torben/gaf/pcb-elements<br>=
DIP14.fp =C2=A0mors_2p.fp =C2=A0mors_3p.fp <br></div><div class=3D"gmail_de=
fault" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large"><br=
></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sa=
ns-serif;font-size:large">For Add-Component I get:</div><div class=3D"gmail=
_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">=
<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica=
,sans-serif;font-size:large">></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=
=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">local</div><div=
class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;fo=
nt-size:large">> Basic devices</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=
=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">.</div><div cla=
ss=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-s=
ize:large">.</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,h=
elvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">.</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" st=
yle=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large"><br></div><d=
iv class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;=
font-size:large">and when i double-click the empty space at the top, I get:=
</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,san=
s-serif;font-size:large"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"fo=
nt-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">2_SCREW_CONNECTOR.sym=
</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,san=
s-serif;font-size:large">3_SCREW_CONNECTOR.sym</div><div class=3D"gmail_def=
ault" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">PICA=
XE-14M</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helveti=
ca,sans-serif;font-size:large"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=
=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">Now I am suppos=
ed to enter:</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,h=
elvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default"=
style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">gschem on=
e.sch</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetic=
a,sans-serif;font-size:large"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=
=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">When I do I get=
error messages about a missing one.sch and the curser goes to the next lin=
e. Actually that is not surprising considering that that one.sch does not y=
et exist.</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helv=
etica,sans-serif;font-size:large">When I then fill in the schema and run /h=
ome/torben/gaf/myproject3/gsch2pcb project I get the error message:</div><d=
iv class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;=
font-size:large"><br></div><div><font size=3D"4">No elements found, so noth=
ing to do</font>.</div><div><br></div><div><div style=3D"font-family:arial,=
helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large" class=3D"gmail_default">I have saved =
one.sch so that is another surprise - can you help?</div><div style=3D"font=
-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large" class=3D"gmail_default"=
>best regards</div><div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;fon=
t-size:large" class=3D"gmail_default">torben<br></div><br></div><div class=
=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-siz=
e:large"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,=
helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default=
" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large"><br></di=
v><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-se=
rif;font-size:large"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-f=
amily:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large"><br></div><div class=3D"g=
mail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:lar=
ge"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helve=
tica,sans-serif;font-size:large"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" sty=
le=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large"><br></div><di=
v class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;f=
ont-size:large"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family=
:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_=
default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large"><=
br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,=
sans-serif;font-size:large"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D=
"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large"><br></div><div cla=
ss=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-s=
ize:large"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:aria=
l,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large"><br></div></div><br><div class=3D"g=
mail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sun, Jul 21, 2019 at 1=
:14 AM Erich Heinzle (<a href=3D"mailto:a1039181 AT gmail DOT com" rel=3D"noreferr=
er noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">a1039181 AT gmail DOT com</a>) [via <a href=3D"ma=
ilto:geda-help AT delorie DOT com" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank"=
>geda-help AT delorie DOT com</a>] <<a href=3D"mailto:geda-help AT delorie DOT com" re=
l=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">geda-help AT delorie DOT com</a>>=
wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px =
0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=
=3D"auto"><div>Rather than learning to read the x and y coordinates in=C2=
=A0</div><div dir=3D"auto"><pre>Pin[-20000 0 11810 2000 12610 4920 "0&=
quot; "_1_" "square"]
Pin[0 0 11810 2000 12610 4920 "0" "_2_" ""]
Pin[20000 0 11810 2000 12610 4920 "0" "_3_" ""=
;]
</pre>The simplest thing is to open the footprint file in the layout editor=
and use the cursor and or the measure function to determine distances.</di=
v><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">If you want to learn about =
the format, I recommend</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">=
<a href=3D"http://www.ssalewski.de/PcbFootprintRef.txt" rel=3D"noreferrer n=
oreferrer" target=3D"_blank">http://www.ssalewski.de/PcbFootprintRef.txt</a=
><br></div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Regards,</div><div=
dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Erich<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_=
quote" dir=3D"auto"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sun, 21 Jul 20=
19 06:37 Torben Friis (<a href=3D"mailto:friistf AT gmail DOT com" rel=3D"noreferr=
er noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">friistf AT gmail DOT com</a>) [via <a =
href=3D"mailto:geda-help AT delorie DOT com" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer noreferr=
er" target=3D"_blank">geda-help AT delorie DOT com</a>], <<a href=3D"mailto:ged=
a-help AT delorie DOT com" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_bla=
nk">geda-help AT delorie DOT com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmai=
l_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,20=
4,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gm=
ail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:larg=
e">Hi Erich,</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,h=
elvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">Where do I find the hole spacing and t=
he hole size in you fp:</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-fam=
ily:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large"><br></div><div class=3D"gma=
il_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large=
"><pre>Element["" "N MORS 3P " "" ""=
; 0 0 0 -23000 0 100 ""]
(
ElementLine[-30000 18000 -30000 14000 1000]
ElementLine[-30000 14000 30000 14000 1000]
ElementLine[30000 14000 30000 18000 1000]
ElementLine[30000 18000 -30000 18000 1000]
ElementLine[-30000 -18000 -30000 -15000 1000]
ElementLine[-30000 -18000 30000 -18000 1000]
ElementLine[30000 -18000 30000 -15000 1000]
ElementLine[-30000 15000 -30000 -15000 1000]
ElementLine[30000 15000 30000 -15000 1000]
Pin[-20000 0 11810 2000 12610 4920 "0" "_1_" "squa=
re"]
Pin[0 0 11810 2000 12610 4920 "0" "_2_" ""]
Pin[20000 0 11810 2000 12610 4920 "0" "_3_" ""=
;]
)<br></pre><pre>best regards<br></pre><pre>torben<br></pre></div></div><br>=
<div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sat, Ju=
l 20, 2019 at 2:25 PM Erich Heinzle (<a href=3D"mailto:a1039181 AT gmail DOT com" =
rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">a1039=
181 AT gmail DOT com</a>) [via <a href=3D"mailto:geda-help AT delorie DOT com" rel=3D"nor=
eferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">geda-help AT delor=
ie.com</a>] <<a href=3D"mailto:geda-help AT delorie DOT com" rel=3D"noreferrer =
noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">geda-help AT delorie DOT com</=
a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0p=
x 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><d=
iv dir=3D"auto"><div>Good work on the file system.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><=
br></div><div dir=3D"auto">I usually create a project directory and put my =
usual/frequently used footprints in the packages or fp subdirectory, depend=
ing on the naming convention in the template being used.</div><div dir=3D"a=
uto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">The main thing is to ensure that the=C2=A0=
screw terminals you are using are spaced 0.2 inches apart. The hole and an=
nulus sizes can be easily modified in the layout editor, but pin spacing is=
harder to modify in an existing footprint. You should always check that fo=
otprints you source from elsewhere have sane annuli and hole sizes before s=
ending off the board for fabrication.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div=
dir=3D"auto">You are right, any three pin symbol can map to a three pin fo=
otprint, provided that the pin labels on the footprint are sane. Sometimes =
imported symbols like the one you mention need to have the pin name changed=
to "1" instead of "_1_" etc... To make the netlist beh=
ave when imported into the layout editor.<br><br>Regards,</div><div dir=3D"=
auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Erich<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote" d=
ir=3D"auto"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sat, 20 Jul 2019 19:22=
Torben Friis (<a href=3D"mailto:friistf AT gmail DOT com" rel=3D"noreferrer noref=
errer noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">friistf AT gmail DOT com</a>) [via =
<a href=3D"mailto:geda-help AT delorie DOT com" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer noref=
errer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">geda-help AT delorie DOT com</a>], <<a href=
=3D"mailto:geda-help AT delorie DOT com" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer n=
oreferrer" target=3D"_blank">geda-help AT delorie DOT com</a>> wrote:<br></div>=
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-=
left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div sty=
le=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">Hi Erich Hein=
zle,<br>I solved the immediate problem by changing the file system to:.<br>=
<br><br>/home/torben/gaf/gschem-sym<br>/home/torben/gaf/pcb-elements<br>/ho=
me/torben/.gEDA/gafrc<br>(cat /home/torben/.gEDA/gafrc<br>(component-librar=
y-search "/home/torben/gaf/gschem-sym")<br><br>but I will setup m=
y system as you have set up yours.<br><br>I need to have some screw termina=
ls set up and I found yours:<br><br>/user/erich_heinzle/kicad/footprints/w_=
conn_screw.mod/mors_3p.fp<br><br>I could not find the corresponding sym fil=
e. Is there one?<br><br>I suppose I can use any(!) sym file as long as I se=
t footprint to mors_3p.fp in the sym file and enter /user/erich_heinzle/kic=
ad/footprints/w_conn_screw.mod/mors_3p.fp in the /home/torben/gaf/pcb-eleme=
nts file?<br><br>The pins in my screw terminals are =C3=B8 1 mm - is that O=
K with mors_3p.fp (I dont know how to read a fp-file)?<br><br>best regards<=
br>torben</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=
=3D"gmail_attr">On Sat, Jul 20, 2019 at 1:09 AM Erich Heinzle (<a href=3D"m=
ailto:a1039181 AT gmail DOT com" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferre=
r noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">a1039181 AT gmail DOT com</a>) [via <a href=3D"mai=
lto:geda-help AT delorie DOT com" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferr=
er noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">geda-help AT delorie DOT com</a>] <<a href=3D"=
mailto:geda-help AT delorie DOT com" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noref=
errer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">geda-help AT delorie DOT com</a>> wrote:<br=
></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;=
border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto">=
<div dir=3D"auto">Most users, myself included, set up a template, for a per=
-project directory, which has the needed gafrc etc files, and subdirectorie=
s with their local foorprints and symbols.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div=
><div dir=3D"auto">This keeps a given design safe from filesystem changes o=
r changes to elements subsequently.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div d=
ir=3D"auto">It also means that once set up, it doesn't need to be thoug=
ht about much.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Here are =
some examples on github which should show you how to aim the layout editor =
at a partucular directory, i.e. "fp" or "packages" in t=
hese examples</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto"><a href=3D=
"https://github.com/miloh/gEDA-git-template" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer n=
oreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://github.com/miloh=
/gEDA-git-template</a><br></div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"aut=
o"><a href=3D"https://github.com/nocko/gEDA-template" rel=3D"noreferrer nor=
eferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://github.=
com/nocko/gEDA-template</a><br></div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=
=3D"auto"><a href=3D"https://github.com/wojciechk8/geda-sym" rel=3D"norefer=
rer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://=
github.com/wojciechk8/geda-sym</a><br></div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><di=
v dir=3D"auto">These examples should show you how it can be done</div><div =
dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Erich.</div></div><br><div class=
=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sat, 20 Jul 2019 =
01:16 Torben Friis (<a href=3D"mailto:friistf AT gmail DOT com" rel=3D"noreferrer =
noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">friistf AT gmai=
l.com</a>) [via <a href=3D"mailto:geda-help AT delorie DOT com" rel=3D"noreferrer =
noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">geda-help AT de=
lorie.com</a>], <<a href=3D"mailto:geda-help AT delorie DOT com" rel=3D"norefer=
rer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">geda-hel=
p AT delorie DOT com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" sty=
le=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);paddi=
ng-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,san=
s-serif;font-size:large">Hi Erich Heinzie,<br>I think so. If I may reformul=
ate it to show that I understand:<br>The PICAXE14M.sym file contains a stat=
ement: footprint unknown. When I enter the symbol on the schematic I add th=
e footprint attribute DIP14. The PCB program then picks it up from tha Symb=
ol file and find the DIP14 footprint from /home/gaf/pcb-elements.<br><br>Th=
en the files:<br>/home/gaf/gschem-sym<br>(ls /home/gaf/gschem-sym<br>PICAXE=
-14M.sym)<br><br>/home/gaf/pcb-elements<br>(ls /home/gaf/pcb-elements<br>DI=
P14.fp)<br><br>/home/.gEDA/gafrc<br>(cat /home/.gEDA/gafrc<br>(component-li=
brary-search "/home/gaf/gschem-sym")<br><br>should do the job?<br=
><br>But then, when I have filled in the files, how do I make the PICAXE14M=
.sym appear correctly in the add->component list?:<br><br>> Basic dev=
ices<br>> Connectors (generic)<br>.<br>.<br>.<br><br>I want to understan=
d the stuff completely and really appreciate your help.<br>best regards<br>=
torben</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"=
gmail_attr">On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 12:41 PM Erich Heinzle (<a href=3D"mail=
to:a1039181 AT gmail DOT com" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer n=
oreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">a1039181 AT gmail DOT com</a>) [via <a hre=
f=3D"mailto:geda-help AT delorie DOT com" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer =
noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">geda-help AT delorie DOT com</=
a>] <<a href=3D"mailto:geda-help AT delorie DOT com" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferr=
er noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">geda-help=
@delorie.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" styl=
e=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);paddin=
g-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto">In general, gschem is unaware of footprint fi=
le names, or the details of any other attributes you attach to a symbol fro=
m a symbol library<div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">The usual p=
rocedure, after adding your symbol to the schematic from a library, is to a=
dd an "attribute" to the symbol, in this case a "footprint&q=
uot; attribute, equal to "DIP14"</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div=
><div dir=3D"auto">The schematic file will end up with an ectra attribute w=
ithin the picaxe instance, along the libes of</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></=
div><div dir=3D"auto">"footprint=3DDIP18"</div><div dir=3D"auto">=
<br></div><div dir=3D"auto">The PCB layout editor, when you proceed to lay =
out uour design, is the software that has an understanding of footprint att=
ributes, and will search its library paths for a DIP18=C2=A0</div><div dir=
=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Does that=C2=A0help?</div><div dir=3D=
"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Erich</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><=
div dir=3D"auto"><br></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D=
"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Fri, 19 Jul 2019 18:51 Torben Friis (<a href=
=3D"mailto:friistf AT gmail DOT com" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noref=
errer noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">friistf AT gmail DOT com</a>) [via =
<a href=3D"mailto:geda-help AT delorie DOT com" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer noref=
errer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">geda-help AT delorie=
.com</a>], <<a href=3D"mailto:geda-help AT delorie DOT com" rel=3D"noreferrer n=
oreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">ge=
da-help AT delorie DOT com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quot=
e" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204)=
;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div style=3D"font-family:arial,helveti=
ca,sans-serif;font-size:large">Hi Erich Heinzie,</div><div style=3D"font-fa=
mily:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">It should have been:</div>=
<div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large"><br><=
/div><div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">=
/home/gaf/DIP14.fp</div><div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-seri=
f;font-size:large"><br></div><div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans=
-serif;font-size:large">and<br></div><div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvet=
ica,sans-serif;font-size:large"><pre class=3D"gmail-m_-8272845942212335881g=
mail-m_3531693370077276139m_8589242386474172575m_-2140574496613393962gmail-=
m_1868580549148386304m_7413857808226013590m_189777687750480261gmail-m_71746=
15266101921091gmail-m_-6811915406325326106m_5811983186306912133gmail-m_-354=
8951900411599412m_-8691906944467973354gmail-m_1492610957059271095m_-7878935=
548540145437gmail-m_-5278762035596455616gmail-code">(component-library-sear=
ch "/home/gaf/gschem-sym") in the /home/.gEDA/gafrc file<br><br><=
/pre><pre class=3D"gmail-m_-8272845942212335881gmail-m_3531693370077276139m=
_8589242386474172575m_-2140574496613393962gmail-m_1868580549148386304m_7413=
857808226013590m_189777687750480261gmail-m_7174615266101921091gmail-m_-6811=
915406325326106m_5811983186306912133gmail-m_-3548951900411599412m_-86919069=
44467973354gmail-m_1492610957059271095m_-7878935548540145437gmail-m_-527876=
2035596455616gmail-code">I still have the problem of having PICAXE14M not s=
howing up in the libraries list.<br><br></pre><pre class=3D"gmail-m_-827284=
5942212335881gmail-m_3531693370077276139m_8589242386474172575m_-21405744966=
13393962gmail-m_1868580549148386304m_7413857808226013590m_18977768775048026=
1gmail-m_7174615266101921091gmail-m_-6811915406325326106m_58119831863069121=
33gmail-m_-3548951900411599412m_-8691906944467973354gmail-m_149261095705927=
1095m_-7878935548540145437gmail-m_-5278762035596455616gmail-code">When in <=
a href=3D"http://www.gedasymbols.org/" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer norefer=
rer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">http://w=
ww.gedasymbols.org/</a> i search for screw terminal I get a lot of .fp file=
s, but no .sym files. How should they be handled?<br></pre><pre class=3D"gm=
ail-m_-8272845942212335881gmail-m_3531693370077276139m_8589242386474172575m=
_-2140574496613393962gmail-m_1868580549148386304m_7413857808226013590m_1897=
77687750480261gmail-m_7174615266101921091gmail-m_-6811915406325326106m_5811=
983186306912133gmail-m_-3548951900411599412m_-8691906944467973354gmail-m_14=
92610957059271095m_-7878935548540145437gmail-m_-5278762035596455616gmail-co=
de">It is rather confusing.<br></pre><pre class=3D"gmail-m_-827284594221233=
5881gmail-m_3531693370077276139m_8589242386474172575m_-2140574496613393962g=
mail-m_1868580549148386304m_7413857808226013590m_189777687750480261gmail-m_=
7174615266101921091gmail-m_-6811915406325326106m_5811983186306912133gmail-m=
_-3548951900411599412m_-8691906944467973354gmail-m_1492610957059271095m_-78=
78935548540145437gmail-m_-5278762035596455616gmail-code">best regards<br></=
pre><pre class=3D"gmail-m_-8272845942212335881gmail-m_3531693370077276139m_=
8589242386474172575m_-2140574496613393962gmail-m_1868580549148386304m_74138=
57808226013590m_189777687750480261gmail-m_7174615266101921091gmail-m_-68119=
15406325326106m_5811983186306912133gmail-m_-3548951900411599412m_-869190694=
4467973354gmail-m_1492610957059271095m_-7878935548540145437gmail-m_-5278762=
035596455616gmail-code">torben<br></pre><pre class=3D"gmail-m_-827284594221=
2335881gmail-m_3531693370077276139m_8589242386474172575m_-21405744966133939=
62gmail-m_1868580549148386304m_7413857808226013590m_189777687750480261gmail=
-m_7174615266101921091gmail-m_-6811915406325326106m_5811983186306912133gmai=
l-m_-3548951900411599412m_-8691906944467973354gmail-m_1492610957059271095m_=
-7878935548540145437gmail-m_-5278762035596455616gmail-code"><br><br></pre><=
/div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_a=
ttr">On Thu, Jul 18, 2019 at 11:44 AM Torben Friis <<a href=3D"mailto:fr=
iistf AT gmail DOT com" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer norefer=
rer noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">friistf AT gmail DOT com</a>> wrot=
e:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0=
.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"l=
tr"><div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">H=
i Erich Heinzie,</div><div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;=
font-size:large">After following your advice (a long time ago) I have the f=
ollowing:</div><div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-si=
ze:large"><br></div><div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;fo=
nt-size:large">/home/gaf/gschem-sym/PICAXE-14M.sym</div><div style=3D"font-=
family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">/home/gaf/pcb-elements/S=
IP3.fp</div><div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:=
large"><pre class=3D"gmail-m_-8272845942212335881gmail-m_353169337007727613=
9m_8589242386474172575m_-2140574496613393962gmail-m_1868580549148386304m_74=
13857808226013590m_189777687750480261gmail-m_7174615266101921091gmail-m_-68=
11915406325326106m_5811983186306912133gmail-m_-3548951900411599412m_-869190=
6944467973354gmail-m_1492610957059271095m_-7878935548540145437gmail-m_-5278=
762035596455616gmail-code">(component-library-search "../gschem-sym&qu=
ot;) in the /home/.gEDA$/gafrc file<br><br></pre><pre class=3D"gmail-m_-827=
2845942212335881gmail-m_3531693370077276139m_8589242386474172575m_-21405744=
96613393962gmail-m_1868580549148386304m_7413857808226013590m_18977768775048=
0261gmail-m_7174615266101921091gmail-m_-6811915406325326106m_58119831863069=
12133gmail-m_-3548951900411599412m_-8691906944467973354gmail-m_149261095705=
9271095m_-7878935548540145437gmail-m_-5278762035596455616gmail-code">Should=
not PICAXE-14M show up in Libraries when I click Add->Component in gEDA=
schmatic?<br></pre><pre class=3D"gmail-m_-8272845942212335881gmail-m_35316=
93370077276139m_8589242386474172575m_-2140574496613393962gmail-m_1868580549=
148386304m_7413857808226013590m_189777687750480261gmail-m_71746152661019210=
91gmail-m_-6811915406325326106m_5811983186306912133gmail-m_-354895190041159=
9412m_-8691906944467973354gmail-m_1492610957059271095m_-7878935548540145437=
gmail-m_-5278762035596455616gmail-code">best regards<br></pre><pre class=3D=
"gmail-m_-8272845942212335881gmail-m_3531693370077276139m_85892423864741725=
75m_-2140574496613393962gmail-m_1868580549148386304m_7413857808226013590m_1=
89777687750480261gmail-m_7174615266101921091gmail-m_-6811915406325326106m_5=
811983186306912133gmail-m_-3548951900411599412m_-8691906944467973354gmail-m=
_1492610957059271095m_-7878935548540145437gmail-m_-5278762035596455616gmail=
-code">torben<br></pre></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=
=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Fri, Feb 15, 2019 at 9:19 PM Erich Heinzle=
(<a href=3D"mailto:a1039181 AT gmail DOT com" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer norefe=
rrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">a103918=
1 AT gmail DOT com</a>) [via <a href=3D"mailto:geda-help AT delorie DOT com" rel=3D"noref=
errer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" ta=
rget=3D"_blank">geda-help AT delorie DOT com</a>] <<a href=3D"mailto:geda-help@=
delorie.com" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer =
noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">geda-help AT delorie DOT com</a>> wrot=
e:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0=
.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"a=
uto"><div><a href=3D"http://www.gedasymbols.org/user/erich_heinzle/symbols/=
PICAXE-14M.sym?dl" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noref=
errer noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">http://www.gedasymbols.org/u=
ser/erich_heinzle/symbols/PICAXE-14M.sym?dl</a><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div>=
<div dir=3D"auto">The above link will download the raw symbol file as a .sy=
m for use in the gschem schematic editor</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><=
div dir=3D"auto">The DIP14 footprint required in the pcb layout editor will=
be a .fp file and the raw file can be downloaded from</div><div dir=3D"aut=
o"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto"><a href=3D"http://www.gedasymbols.org/footpr=
ints/m4lib/DIP14.fp?dl" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer =
noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">http://www.gedasymbols.=
org/footprints/m4lib/DIP14.fp?dl</a><br></div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><=
div dir=3D"auto">You can place the respective files in the same directory a=
s your schematic and pcb layout, but most people will use dedicated directo=
ries in their project directory for symbols and for footprints.</div><div d=
ir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Regards,</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br=
></div><div dir=3D"auto">Erich</div><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div=
dir=3D"ltr">On Fri, 15 Feb 2019 02:34 Torben Friis (<a href=3D"mailto:frii=
stf AT gmail DOT com" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferre=
r noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">friistf AT gmail DOT com</a>) [via <a h=
ref=3D"mailto:geda-help AT delorie DOT com" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer noreferre=
r noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">geda-help@=
delorie.com</a>] <<a href=3D"mailto:geda-help AT delorie DOT com" rel=3D"norefe=
rrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" tar=
get=3D"_blank">geda-help AT delorie DOT com</a> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=
=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rg=
b(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div sty=
le=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">Hi,</div><div=
style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">I found D=
IP14:</div><div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:l=
arge"><br></div><div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-s=
ize:large">torben AT torben-Aspire-E5-773G:~$ cat /home/torben/gEDAsym<br><a h=
ref=3D"http://www.gedasymbols.org/footprints/m4lib.cgi?geda" rel=3D"norefer=
rer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noref=
errer" target=3D"_blank">http://www.gedasymbols.org/footprints/m4lib.cgi?ge=
da</a>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 <here<br><br><a href=
=3D"http://www.gedasymbols.org/cvs.html" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer noref=
errer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_bl=
ank">http://www.gedasymbols.org/cvs.html</a></div><div style=3D"font-family=
:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large"><br></div><div style=3D"font-f=
amily:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">It looks different from y=
our file if I view it..</div><div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans=
-serif;font-size:large"><br></div><div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica=
,sans-serif;font-size:large">Where should I store the file you sent (if it =
is the file I should store)?</div><div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica=
,sans-serif;font-size:large">torben<br></div></div></div><br><div class=3D"=
gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu, Feb 14, 2019 at =
3:26 PM Chad Parker (<a href=3D"mailto:parker DOT charles AT gmail DOT com" rel=3D"nor=
eferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer n=
oreferrer" target=3D"_blank">parker DOT charles AT gmail DOT com</a>) [via <a href=3D"=
mailto:geda-help AT delorie DOT com" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noref=
errer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">geda-h=
elp AT delorie DOT com</a>] <<a href=3D"mailto:geda-help AT delorie DOT com" rel=3D"no=
referrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer =
noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">geda-help AT delorie DOT com</a>> wrote:<br></div=
><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border=
-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div di=
r=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><a href=3D"http://www.gedasymbols.org/=
user/erich_heinzle/symbols/PICAXE-14M.sym" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer nor=
eferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_=
blank">http://www.gedasymbols.org/user/erich_heinzle/symbols/PICAXE-14M.sym=
</a></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div>It looks like the package is a 14=
-pin DIP, so "DIP14" should work as the footprint.<br></div><div =
dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div>Cheers,</div><div>--Chad<br></div><div dir=3D"lt=
r"><br></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D=
"gmail_attr">On Thu, Feb 14, 2019 at 9:11 AM Torben Friis (<a href=3D"mailt=
o:friistf AT gmail DOT com" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer nor=
eferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">friistf AT gmail DOT c=
om</a>) [via <a href=3D"mailto:geda-help AT delorie DOT com" rel=3D"noreferrer nor=
eferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" =
target=3D"_blank">geda-help AT delorie DOT com</a>] <<a href=3D"mailto:geda-hel=
p AT delorie DOT com" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferre=
r noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">geda-help AT delorie DOT com=
</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:=
0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">=
<div dir=3D"ltr"><div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-=
size:large">Hi ,</div><div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;=
font-size:large">I have been looking fo the above element, but I cannot fin=
d it. I have been looking for .../newlib and found it in two places, but ne=
ither one appeared to provide it.</div><div style=3D"font-family:arial,helv=
etica,sans-serif;font-size:large">Is there anywhere else I can look for it?=
</div><div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large"=
>torben<br></div></div>
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