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Two possible errors come to mind.
If you look at the templates i linked to previously, you can see how PCB is
told about the element directory, which in your case will be
"pcb-elements", by the various ....rc files, and check that yours are set
up right.
You also need to ensure you have the footprint attributes attached to your
device symbols in the schematic, as previously described, or PCB will not
know which footprints are needed when parsing the netlist
Regards,
Erich.
On Mon, 22 Jul 2019 20:55 Torben Friis (friistf AT gmail DOT com) [via
geda-help AT delorie DOT com], <geda-help AT delorie DOT com> wrote:
> Hi Erich,
> That helped a lot!
> I now have:
>
> ls /home/torben/gaf/gschem-sym
> 2_SCREW_CONNECTOR.sym 3_SCREW_CONNECTOR.sym PICAXE-14M.sym
> ls /home/torben/gaf/pcb-elements
> DIP14.fp mors_2p.fp mors_3p.fp
>
> For Add-Component I get:
>
> >
> local
> > Basic devices
> .
> .
> .
>
> and when i double-click the empty space at the top, I get:
>
> 2_SCREW_CONNECTOR.sym
> 3_SCREW_CONNECTOR.sym
> PICAXE-14M
>
> Now I am supposed to enter:
>
> gschem one.sch
>
> When I do I get error messages about a missing one.sch and the curser goe=
s
> to the next line. Actually that is not surprising considering that that
> one.sch does not yet exist.
> When I then fill in the schema and run
> /home/torben/gaf/myproject3/gsch2pcb project I get the error message:
>
> No elements found, so nothing to do.
>
> I have saved one.sch so that is another surprise - can you help?
> best regards
> torben
>
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> On Sun, Jul 21, 2019 at 1:14 AM Erich Heinzle (a1039181 AT gmail DOT com) [via
> geda-help AT delorie DOT com] <geda-help AT delorie DOT com> wrote:
>
>> Rather than learning to read the x and y coordinates in
>>
>> Pin[-20000 0 11810 2000 12610 4920 "0" "_1_" "square"]
>> Pin[0 0 11810 2000 12610 4920 "0" "_2_" ""]
>> Pin[20000 0 11810 2000 12610 4920 "0" "_3_" ""]
>>
>> The simplest thing is to open the footprint file in the layout editor an=
d
>> use the cursor and or the measure function to determine distances.
>>
>> If you want to learn about the format, I recommend
>>
>> http://www.ssalewski.de/PcbFootprintRef.txt
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Erich
>>
>> On Sun, 21 Jul 2019 06:37 Torben Friis (friistf AT gmail DOT com) [via
>> geda-help AT delorie DOT com], <geda-help AT delorie DOT com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Erich,
>>> Where do I find the hole spacing and the hole size in you fp:
>>>
>>> Element["" "N MORS 3P " "" "" 0 0 0 -23000 0 100 ""]
>>> (
>>> ElementLine[-30000 18000 -30000 14000 1000]
>>> ElementLine[-30000 14000 30000 14000 1000]
>>> ElementLine[30000 14000 30000 18000 1000]
>>> ElementLine[30000 18000 -30000 18000 1000]
>>> ElementLine[-30000 -18000 -30000 -15000 1000]
>>> ElementLine[-30000 -18000 30000 -18000 1000]
>>> ElementLine[30000 -18000 30000 -15000 1000]
>>> ElementLine[-30000 15000 -30000 -15000 1000]
>>> ElementLine[30000 15000 30000 -15000 1000]
>>> Pin[-20000 0 11810 2000 12610 4920 "0" "_1_" "square"]
>>> Pin[0 0 11810 2000 12610 4920 "0" "_2_" ""]
>>> Pin[20000 0 11810 2000 12610 4920 "0" "_3_" ""]
>>> )
>>>
>>> best regards
>>>
>>> torben
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jul 20, 2019 at 2:25 PM Erich Heinzle (a1039181 AT gmail DOT com) [via
>>> geda-help AT delorie DOT com] <geda-help AT delorie DOT com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Good work on the file system.
>>>>
>>>> I usually create a project directory and put my usual/frequently used
>>>> footprints in the packages or fp subdirectory, depending on the naming
>>>> convention in the template being used.
>>>>
>>>> The main thing is to ensure that the screw terminals you are using ar=
e
>>>> spaced 0.2 inches apart. The hole and annulus sizes can be easily modi=
fied
>>>> in the layout editor, but pin spacing is harder to modify in an existi=
ng
>>>> footprint. You should always check that footprints you source from
>>>> elsewhere have sane annuli and hole sizes before sending off the board=
for
>>>> fabrication.
>>>>
>>>> You are right, any three pin symbol can map to a three pin footprint,
>>>> provided that the pin labels on the footprint are sane. Sometimes impo=
rted
>>>> symbols like the one you mention need to have the pin name changed to =
"1"
>>>> instead of "_1_" etc... To make the netlist behave when imported into =
the
>>>> layout editor.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Erich
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, 20 Jul 2019 19:22 Torben Friis (friistf AT gmail DOT com) [via
>>>> geda-help AT delorie DOT com], <geda-help AT delorie DOT com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Erich Heinzle,
>>>>> I solved the immediate problem by changing the file system to:.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> /home/torben/gaf/gschem-sym
>>>>> /home/torben/gaf/pcb-elements
>>>>> /home/torben/.gEDA/gafrc
>>>>> (cat /home/torben/.gEDA/gafrc
>>>>> (component-library-search "/home/torben/gaf/gschem-sym")
>>>>>
>>>>> but I will setup my system as you have set up yours.
>>>>>
>>>>> I need to have some screw terminals set up and I found yours:
>>>>>
>>>>> /user/erich_heinzle/kicad/footprints/w_conn_screw.mod/mors_3p.fp
>>>>>
>>>>> I could not find the corresponding sym file. Is there one?
>>>>>
>>>>> I suppose I can use any(!) sym file as long as I set footprint to
>>>>> mors_3p.fp in the sym file and enter
>>>>> /user/erich_heinzle/kicad/footprints/w_conn_screw.mod/mors_3p.fp in t=
he
>>>>> /home/torben/gaf/pcb-elements file?
>>>>>
>>>>> The pins in my screw terminals are =C3=B8 1 mm - is that OK with mors=
_3p.fp
>>>>> (I dont know how to read a fp-file)?
>>>>>
>>>>> best regards
>>>>> torben
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Jul 20, 2019 at 1:09 AM Erich Heinzle (a1039181 AT gmail DOT com)
>>>>> [via geda-help AT delorie DOT com] <geda-help AT delorie DOT com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Most users, myself included, set up a template, for a per-project
>>>>>> directory, which has the needed gafrc etc files, and subdirectories =
with
>>>>>> their local foorprints and symbols.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This keeps a given design safe from filesystem changes or changes to
>>>>>> elements subsequently.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It also means that once set up, it doesn't need to be thought about
>>>>>> much.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Here are some examples on github which should show you how to aim th=
e
>>>>>> layout editor at a partucular directory, i.e. "fp" or "packages" in =
these
>>>>>> examples
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://github.com/miloh/gEDA-git-template
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://github.com/nocko/gEDA-template
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://github.com/wojciechk8/geda-sym
>>>>>>
>>>>>> These examples should show you how it can be done
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Erich.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, 20 Jul 2019 01:16 Torben Friis (friistf AT gmail DOT com) [via
>>>>>> geda-help AT delorie DOT com], <geda-help AT delorie DOT com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Erich Heinzie,
>>>>>>> I think so. If I may reformulate it to show that I understand:
>>>>>>> The PICAXE14M.sym file contains a statement: footprint unknown. Whe=
n
>>>>>>> I enter the symbol on the schematic I add the footprint attribute D=
IP14.
>>>>>>> The PCB program then picks it up from tha Symbol file and find the =
DIP14
>>>>>>> footprint from /home/gaf/pcb-elements.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Then the files:
>>>>>>> /home/gaf/gschem-sym
>>>>>>> (ls /home/gaf/gschem-sym
>>>>>>> PICAXE-14M.sym)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> /home/gaf/pcb-elements
>>>>>>> (ls /home/gaf/pcb-elements
>>>>>>> DIP14.fp)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> /home/.gEDA/gafrc
>>>>>>> (cat /home/.gEDA/gafrc
>>>>>>> (component-library-search "/home/gaf/gschem-sym")
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> should do the job?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But then, when I have filled in the files, how do I make the
>>>>>>> PICAXE14M.sym appear correctly in the add->component list?:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > Basic devices
>>>>>>> > Connectors (generic)
>>>>>>> .
>>>>>>> .
>>>>>>> .
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I want to understand the stuff completely and really appreciate you=
r
>>>>>>> help.
>>>>>>> best regards
>>>>>>> torben
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 12:41 PM Erich Heinzle (a1039181 AT gmail DOT com)
>>>>>>> [via geda-help AT delorie DOT com] <geda-help AT delorie DOT com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In general, gschem is unaware of footprint file names, or the
>>>>>>>> details of any other attributes you attach to a symbol from a symb=
ol library
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The usual procedure, after adding your symbol to the schematic fro=
m
>>>>>>>> a library, is to add an "attribute" to the symbol, in this case a
>>>>>>>> "footprint" attribute, equal to "DIP14"
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The schematic file will end up with an ectra attribute within the
>>>>>>>> picaxe instance, along the libes of
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "footprint=3DDIP18"
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The PCB layout editor, when you proceed to lay out uour design, is
>>>>>>>> the software that has an understanding of footprint attributes, an=
d will
>>>>>>>> search its library paths for a DIP18
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Does that help?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Erich
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Fri, 19 Jul 2019 18:51 Torben Friis (friistf AT gmail DOT com) [via
>>>>>>>> geda-help AT delorie DOT com], <geda-help AT delorie DOT com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi Erich Heinzie,
>>>>>>>>> It should have been:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> /home/gaf/DIP14.fp
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> (component-library-search "/home/gaf/gschem-sym") in the /home/.g=
EDA/gafrc file
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I still have the problem of having PICAXE14M not showing up in th=
e libraries list.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> When in http://www.gedasymbols.org/ i search for screw terminal I=
get a lot of .fp files, but no .sym files. How should they be handled?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It is rather confusing.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> best regards
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> torben
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Jul 18, 2019 at 11:44 AM Torben Friis <friistf AT gmail DOT com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hi Erich Heinzie,
>>>>>>>>>> After following your advice (a long time ago) I have the
>>>>>>>>>> following:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> /home/gaf/gschem-sym/PICAXE-14M.sym
>>>>>>>>>> /home/gaf/pcb-elements/SIP3.fp
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> (component-library-search "../gschem-sym") in the /home/.gEDA$/g=
afrc file
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Should not PICAXE-14M show up in Libraries when I click Add->Com=
ponent in gEDA schmatic?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> best regards
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> torben
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 15, 2019 at 9:19 PM Erich Heinzle (a1039181 AT gmail DOT co=
m)
>>>>>>>>>> [via geda-help AT delorie DOT com] <geda-help AT delorie DOT com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.gedasymbols.org/user/erich_heinzle/symbols/PICAXE-14=
M.sym?dl
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The above link will download the raw symbol file as a .sym for
>>>>>>>>>>> use in the gschem schematic editor
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The DIP14 footprint required in the pcb layout editor will be a
>>>>>>>>>>> .fp file and the raw file can be downloaded from
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.gedasymbols.org/footprints/m4lib/DIP14.fp?dl
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> You can place the respective files in the same directory as you=
r
>>>>>>>>>>> schematic and pcb layout, but most people will use dedicated di=
rectories in
>>>>>>>>>>> their project directory for symbols and for footprints.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Erich
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 15 Feb 2019 02:34 Torben Friis (friistf AT gmail DOT com) [via
>>>>>>>>>>> geda-help AT delorie DOT com] <geda-help AT delorie DOT com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>>>> I found DIP14:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> torben AT torben-Aspire-E5-773G:~$ cat /home/torben/gEDAsym
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.gedasymbols.org/footprints/m4lib.cgi?geda
>>>>>>>>>>>> <here
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.gedasymbols.org/cvs.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> It looks different from your file if I view it..
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Where should I store the file you sent (if it is the file I
>>>>>>>>>>>> should store)?
>>>>>>>>>>>> torben
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Feb 14, 2019 at 3:26 PM Chad Parker (
>>>>>>>>>>>> parker DOT charles AT gmail DOT com) [via geda-help AT delorie DOT com] <
>>>>>>>>>>>> geda-help AT delorie DOT com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.gedasymbols.org/user/erich_heinzle/symbols/PICAXE-=
14M.sym
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> It looks like the package is a 14-pin DIP, so "DIP14" should
>>>>>>>>>>>>> work as the footprint.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> --Chad
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Feb 14, 2019 at 9:11 AM Torben Friis (
>>>>>>>>>>>>> friistf AT gmail DOT com) [via geda-help AT delorie DOT com] <
>>>>>>>>>>>>> geda-help AT delorie DOT com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi ,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have been looking fo the above element, but I cannot find
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it. I have been looking for .../newlib and found it in two p=
laces, but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> neither one appeared to provide it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is there anywhere else I can look for it?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> torben
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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<div dir=3D"auto"><div>Two possible errors come to mind.</div><div dir=3D"a=
uto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">If you look at the templates i linked to p=
reviously, you can see how PCB is told about the element directory, which i=
n your case will be "pcb-elements", by the various ....rc files, =
and check that yours are set up right.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><di=
v dir=3D"auto">You also need to ensure you have the footprint attributes at=
tached to your device symbols in the schematic, as previously described, or=
PCB will not know which footprints are needed when parsing the netlist</di=
v><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Regards,</div><div dir=3D"a=
uto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Erich.<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote" d=
ir=3D"auto"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, 22 Jul 2019 20:55=
Torben Friis (<a href=3D"mailto:friistf AT gmail DOT com" target=3D"_blank" rel=
=3D"noreferrer">friistf AT gmail DOT com</a>) [via <a href=3D"mailto:geda-help AT del=
orie.com" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">geda-help AT delorie DOT com</a>], =
<<a href=3D"mailto:geda-help AT delorie DOT com" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noref=
errer">geda-help AT delorie DOT com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"g=
mail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-l=
eft:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family=
:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">Hi Erich,</div><div class=3D"g=
mail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:lar=
ge">That helped a lot! <br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font=
-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">I now have:</div><div c=
lass=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font=
-size:large"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:ar=
ial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">ls /home/torben/gaf/gschem-sym<br=
>2_SCREW_CONNECTOR.sym =C2=A03_SCREW_CONNECTOR.sym =C2=A0PICAXE-14M.sym</di=
v><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-se=
rif;font-size:large">ls /home/torben/gaf/pcb-elements<br>DIP14.fp =C2=A0mor=
s_2p.fp =C2=A0mors_3p.fp <br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"fo=
nt-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large"><br></div><div class=
=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-siz=
e:large">For Add-Component I get:</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=
=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large"><br></div><div =
class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;fon=
t-size:large">></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:a=
rial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">local</div><div class=3D"gmail_d=
efault" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">&g=
t; Basic devices</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:ari=
al,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">.</div><div class=3D"gmail_default=
" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">.</div><=
div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif=
;font-size:large">.</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:=
arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_d=
efault" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">an=
d when i double-click the empty space at the top, I get:</div><div class=3D=
"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:l=
arge"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,hel=
vetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">2_SCREW_CONNECTOR.sym</div><div class=3D=
"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:l=
arge">3_SCREW_CONNECTOR.sym</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font=
-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">PICAXE-14M</div><div cl=
ass=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-=
size:large"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:ari=
al,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">Now I am supposed to enter:</div><=
div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif=
;font-size:large"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-fami=
ly:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">gschem one.sch</div><div cla=
ss=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-s=
ize:large"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:aria=
l,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">When I do I get error messages abou=
t a missing one.sch and the curser goes to the next line. Actually that is =
not surprising considering that that one.sch does not yet exist.</div><div =
class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;fon=
t-size:large">When I then fill in the schema and run /home/torben/gaf/mypro=
ject3/gsch2pcb project I get the error message:</div><div class=3D"gmail_de=
fault" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large"><br=
></div><div><font size=3D"4">No elements found, so nothing to do</font>.</d=
iv><div><br></div><div><div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif=
;font-size:large" class=3D"gmail_default">I have saved one.sch so that is a=
nother surprise - can you help?</div><div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvet=
ica,sans-serif;font-size:large" class=3D"gmail_default">best regards</div><=
div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large" class=
=3D"gmail_default">torben<br></div><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" s=
tyle=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large"><br></div><=
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v><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-se=
rif;font-size:large"><br></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div di=
r=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sun, Jul 21, 2019 at 1:14 AM Erich Heinzl=
e (<a href=3D"mailto:a1039181 AT gmail DOT com" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" targ=
et=3D"_blank">a1039181 AT gmail DOT com</a>) [via <a href=3D"mailto:geda-help AT delo=
rie.com" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">geda-help AT delorie.=
com</a>] <<a href=3D"mailto:geda-help AT delorie DOT com" rel=3D"noreferrer nor=
eferrer" target=3D"_blank">geda-help AT delorie DOT com</a>> wrote:<br></div><b=
lockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-le=
ft:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto"><div>Rath=
er than learning to read the x and y coordinates in=C2=A0</div><div dir=3D"=
auto"><pre>Pin[-20000 0 11810 2000 12610 4920 "0" "_1_"=
"square"]
Pin[0 0 11810 2000 12610 4920 "0" "_2_" ""]
Pin[20000 0 11810 2000 12610 4920 "0" "_3_" ""=
;]
</pre>The simplest thing is to open the footprint file in the layout editor=
and use the cursor and or the measure function to determine distances.</di=
v><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">If you want to learn about =
the format, I recommend</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">=
<a href=3D"http://www.ssalewski.de/PcbFootprintRef.txt" rel=3D"noreferrer n=
oreferrer" target=3D"_blank">http://www.ssalewski.de/PcbFootprintRef.txt</a=
><br></div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Regards,</div><div=
dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Erich<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_=
quote" dir=3D"auto"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sun, 21 Jul 20=
19 06:37 Torben Friis (<a href=3D"mailto:friistf AT gmail DOT com" rel=3D"noreferr=
er noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">friistf AT gmail DOT com</a>) [via <a =
href=3D"mailto:geda-help AT delorie DOT com" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer noreferr=
er" target=3D"_blank">geda-help AT delorie DOT com</a>], <<a href=3D"mailto:ged=
a-help AT delorie DOT com" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_bla=
nk">geda-help AT delorie DOT com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmai=
l_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,20=
4,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gm=
ail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:larg=
e">Hi Erich,</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,h=
elvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">Where do I find the hole spacing and t=
he hole size in you fp:</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-fam=
ily:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large"><br></div><div class=3D"gma=
il_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large=
"><pre>Element["" "N MORS 3P " "" ""=
; 0 0 0 -23000 0 100 ""]
(
ElementLine[-30000 18000 -30000 14000 1000]
ElementLine[-30000 14000 30000 14000 1000]
ElementLine[30000 14000 30000 18000 1000]
ElementLine[30000 18000 -30000 18000 1000]
ElementLine[-30000 -18000 -30000 -15000 1000]
ElementLine[-30000 -18000 30000 -18000 1000]
ElementLine[30000 -18000 30000 -15000 1000]
ElementLine[-30000 15000 -30000 -15000 1000]
ElementLine[30000 15000 30000 -15000 1000]
Pin[-20000 0 11810 2000 12610 4920 "0" "_1_" "squa=
re"]
Pin[0 0 11810 2000 12610 4920 "0" "_2_" ""]
Pin[20000 0 11810 2000 12610 4920 "0" "_3_" ""=
;]
)<br></pre><pre>best regards<br></pre><pre>torben<br></pre></div></div><br>=
<div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sat, Ju=
l 20, 2019 at 2:25 PM Erich Heinzle (<a href=3D"mailto:a1039181 AT gmail DOT com" =
rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">a1039=
181 AT gmail DOT com</a>) [via <a href=3D"mailto:geda-help AT delorie DOT com" rel=3D"nor=
eferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">geda-help AT delor=
ie.com</a>] <<a href=3D"mailto:geda-help AT delorie DOT com" rel=3D"noreferrer =
noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">geda-help AT delorie DOT com</=
a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0p=
x 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><d=
iv dir=3D"auto"><div>Good work on the file system.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><=
br></div><div dir=3D"auto">I usually create a project directory and put my =
usual/frequently used footprints in the packages or fp subdirectory, depend=
ing on the naming convention in the template being used.</div><div dir=3D"a=
uto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">The main thing is to ensure that the=C2=A0=
screw terminals you are using are spaced 0.2 inches apart. The hole and an=
nulus sizes can be easily modified in the layout editor, but pin spacing is=
harder to modify in an existing footprint. You should always check that fo=
otprints you source from elsewhere have sane annuli and hole sizes before s=
ending off the board for fabrication.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div=
dir=3D"auto">You are right, any three pin symbol can map to a three pin fo=
otprint, provided that the pin labels on the footprint are sane. Sometimes =
imported symbols like the one you mention need to have the pin name changed=
to "1" instead of "_1_" etc... To make the netlist beh=
ave when imported into the layout editor.<br><br>Regards,</div><div dir=3D"=
auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Erich<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote" d=
ir=3D"auto"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sat, 20 Jul 2019 19:22=
Torben Friis (<a href=3D"mailto:friistf AT gmail DOT com" rel=3D"noreferrer noref=
errer noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">friistf AT gmail DOT com</a>) [via =
<a href=3D"mailto:geda-help AT delorie DOT com" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer noref=
errer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">geda-help AT delorie DOT com</a>], <<a href=
=3D"mailto:geda-help AT delorie DOT com" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer n=
oreferrer" target=3D"_blank">geda-help AT delorie DOT com</a>> wrote:<br></div>=
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-=
left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div sty=
le=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">Hi Erich Hein=
zle,<br>I solved the immediate problem by changing the file system to:.<br>=
<br><br>/home/torben/gaf/gschem-sym<br>/home/torben/gaf/pcb-elements<br>/ho=
me/torben/.gEDA/gafrc<br>(cat /home/torben/.gEDA/gafrc<br>(component-librar=
y-search "/home/torben/gaf/gschem-sym")<br><br>but I will setup m=
y system as you have set up yours.<br><br>I need to have some screw termina=
ls set up and I found yours:<br><br>/user/erich_heinzle/kicad/footprints/w_=
conn_screw.mod/mors_3p.fp<br><br>I could not find the corresponding sym fil=
e. Is there one?<br><br>I suppose I can use any(!) sym file as long as I se=
t footprint to mors_3p.fp in the sym file and enter /user/erich_heinzle/kic=
ad/footprints/w_conn_screw.mod/mors_3p.fp in the /home/torben/gaf/pcb-eleme=
nts file?<br><br>The pins in my screw terminals are =C3=B8 1 mm - is that O=
K with mors_3p.fp (I dont know how to read a fp-file)?<br><br>best regards<=
br>torben</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=
=3D"gmail_attr">On Sat, Jul 20, 2019 at 1:09 AM Erich Heinzle (<a href=3D"m=
ailto:a1039181 AT gmail DOT com" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferre=
r noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">a1039181 AT gmail DOT com</a>) [via <a href=3D"mai=
lto:geda-help AT delorie DOT com" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferr=
er noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">geda-help AT delorie DOT com</a>] <<a href=3D"=
mailto:geda-help AT delorie DOT com" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noref=
errer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">geda-help AT delorie DOT com</a>> wrote:<br=
></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;=
border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto">=
<div dir=3D"auto">Most users, myself included, set up a template, for a per=
-project directory, which has the needed gafrc etc files, and subdirectorie=
s with their local foorprints and symbols.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div=
><div dir=3D"auto">This keeps a given design safe from filesystem changes o=
r changes to elements subsequently.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div d=
ir=3D"auto">It also means that once set up, it doesn't need to be thoug=
ht about much.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Here are =
some examples on github which should show you how to aim the layout editor =
at a partucular directory, i.e. "fp" or "packages" in t=
hese examples</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto"><a href=3D=
"https://github.com/miloh/gEDA-git-template" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer n=
oreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://github.com/miloh=
/gEDA-git-template</a><br></div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"aut=
o"><a href=3D"https://github.com/nocko/gEDA-template" rel=3D"noreferrer nor=
eferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://github.=
com/nocko/gEDA-template</a><br></div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=
=3D"auto"><a href=3D"https://github.com/wojciechk8/geda-sym" rel=3D"norefer=
rer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://=
github.com/wojciechk8/geda-sym</a><br></div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><di=
v dir=3D"auto">These examples should show you how it can be done</div><div =
dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Erich.</div></div><br><div class=
=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sat, 20 Jul 2019 =
01:16 Torben Friis (<a href=3D"mailto:friistf AT gmail DOT com" rel=3D"noreferrer =
noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">friistf AT gmai=
l.com</a>) [via <a href=3D"mailto:geda-help AT delorie DOT com" rel=3D"noreferrer =
noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">geda-help AT de=
lorie.com</a>], <<a href=3D"mailto:geda-help AT delorie DOT com" rel=3D"norefer=
rer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">geda-hel=
p AT delorie DOT com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" sty=
le=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);paddi=
ng-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,san=
s-serif;font-size:large">Hi Erich Heinzie,<br>I think so. If I may reformul=
ate it to show that I understand:<br>The PICAXE14M.sym file contains a stat=
ement: footprint unknown. When I enter the symbol on the schematic I add th=
e footprint attribute DIP14. The PCB program then picks it up from tha Symb=
ol file and find the DIP14 footprint from /home/gaf/pcb-elements.<br><br>Th=
en the files:<br>/home/gaf/gschem-sym<br>(ls /home/gaf/gschem-sym<br>PICAXE=
-14M.sym)<br><br>/home/gaf/pcb-elements<br>(ls /home/gaf/pcb-elements<br>DI=
P14.fp)<br><br>/home/.gEDA/gafrc<br>(cat /home/.gEDA/gafrc<br>(component-li=
brary-search "/home/gaf/gschem-sym")<br><br>should do the job?<br=
><br>But then, when I have filled in the files, how do I make the PICAXE14M=
.sym appear correctly in the add->component list?:<br><br>> Basic dev=
ices<br>> Connectors (generic)<br>.<br>.<br>.<br><br>I want to understan=
d the stuff completely and really appreciate your help.<br>best regards<br>=
torben</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"=
gmail_attr">On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 12:41 PM Erich Heinzle (<a href=3D"mail=
to:a1039181 AT gmail DOT com" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer n=
oreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">a1039181 AT gmail DOT com</a>) [via <a hre=
f=3D"mailto:geda-help AT delorie DOT com" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer =
noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">geda-help AT delorie DOT com</=
a>] <<a href=3D"mailto:geda-help AT delorie DOT com" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferr=
er noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">geda-help=
@delorie.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" styl=
e=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);paddin=
g-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto">In general, gschem is unaware of footprint fi=
le names, or the details of any other attributes you attach to a symbol fro=
m a symbol library<div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">The usual p=
rocedure, after adding your symbol to the schematic from a library, is to a=
dd an "attribute" to the symbol, in this case a "footprint&q=
uot; attribute, equal to "DIP14"</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div=
><div dir=3D"auto">The schematic file will end up with an ectra attribute w=
ithin the picaxe instance, along the libes of</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></=
div><div dir=3D"auto">"footprint=3DDIP18"</div><div dir=3D"auto">=
<br></div><div dir=3D"auto">The PCB layout editor, when you proceed to lay =
out uour design, is the software that has an understanding of footprint att=
ributes, and will search its library paths for a DIP18=C2=A0</div><div dir=
=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Does that=C2=A0help?</div><div dir=3D=
"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Erich</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><=
div dir=3D"auto"><br></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D=
"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Fri, 19 Jul 2019 18:51 Torben Friis (<a href=
=3D"mailto:friistf AT gmail DOT com" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noref=
errer noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">friistf AT gmail DOT com</a>) [via =
<a href=3D"mailto:geda-help AT delorie DOT com" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer noref=
errer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">geda-help AT delorie=
.com</a>], <<a href=3D"mailto:geda-help AT delorie DOT com" rel=3D"noreferrer n=
oreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">ge=
da-help AT delorie DOT com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quot=
e" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204)=
;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div style=3D"font-family:arial,helveti=
ca,sans-serif;font-size:large">Hi Erich Heinzie,</div><div style=3D"font-fa=
mily:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">It should have been:</div>=
<div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large"><br><=
/div><div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">=
/home/gaf/DIP14.fp</div><div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-seri=
f;font-size:large"><br></div><div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans=
-serif;font-size:large">and<br></div><div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvet=
ica,sans-serif;font-size:large"><pre class=3D"m_8589242386474172575m_-21405=
74496613393962gmail-m_1868580549148386304m_7413857808226013590m_18977768775=
0480261gmail-m_7174615266101921091gmail-m_-6811915406325326106m_58119831863=
06912133gmail-m_-3548951900411599412m_-8691906944467973354gmail-m_149261095=
7059271095m_-7878935548540145437gmail-m_-5278762035596455616gmail-code">(co=
mponent-library-search "/home/gaf/gschem-sym") in the /home/.gEDA=
/gafrc file<br><br></pre><pre class=3D"m_8589242386474172575m_-214057449661=
3393962gmail-m_1868580549148386304m_7413857808226013590m_189777687750480261=
gmail-m_7174615266101921091gmail-m_-6811915406325326106m_581198318630691213=
3gmail-m_-3548951900411599412m_-8691906944467973354gmail-m_1492610957059271=
095m_-7878935548540145437gmail-m_-5278762035596455616gmail-code">I still ha=
ve the problem of having PICAXE14M not showing up in the libraries list.<br=
><br></pre><pre class=3D"m_8589242386474172575m_-2140574496613393962gmail-m=
_1868580549148386304m_7413857808226013590m_189777687750480261gmail-m_717461=
5266101921091gmail-m_-6811915406325326106m_5811983186306912133gmail-m_-3548=
951900411599412m_-8691906944467973354gmail-m_1492610957059271095m_-78789355=
48540145437gmail-m_-5278762035596455616gmail-code">When in <a href=3D"http:=
//www.gedasymbols.org/" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer =
noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">http://www.gedasymbols.=
org/</a> i search for screw terminal I get a lot of .fp files, but no .sym =
files. How should they be handled?<br></pre><pre class=3D"m_858924238647417=
2575m_-2140574496613393962gmail-m_1868580549148386304m_7413857808226013590m=
_189777687750480261gmail-m_7174615266101921091gmail-m_-6811915406325326106m=
_5811983186306912133gmail-m_-3548951900411599412m_-8691906944467973354gmail=
-m_1492610957059271095m_-7878935548540145437gmail-m_-5278762035596455616gma=
il-code">It is rather confusing.<br></pre><pre class=3D"m_85892423864741725=
75m_-2140574496613393962gmail-m_1868580549148386304m_7413857808226013590m_1=
89777687750480261gmail-m_7174615266101921091gmail-m_-6811915406325326106m_5=
811983186306912133gmail-m_-3548951900411599412m_-8691906944467973354gmail-m=
_1492610957059271095m_-7878935548540145437gmail-m_-5278762035596455616gmail=
-code">best regards<br></pre><pre class=3D"m_8589242386474172575m_-21405744=
96613393962gmail-m_1868580549148386304m_7413857808226013590m_18977768775048=
0261gmail-m_7174615266101921091gmail-m_-6811915406325326106m_58119831863069=
12133gmail-m_-3548951900411599412m_-8691906944467973354gmail-m_149261095705=
9271095m_-7878935548540145437gmail-m_-5278762035596455616gmail-code">torben=
<br></pre><pre class=3D"m_8589242386474172575m_-2140574496613393962gmail-m_=
1868580549148386304m_7413857808226013590m_189777687750480261gmail-m_7174615=
266101921091gmail-m_-6811915406325326106m_5811983186306912133gmail-m_-35489=
51900411599412m_-8691906944467973354gmail-m_1492610957059271095m_-787893554=
8540145437gmail-m_-5278762035596455616gmail-code"><br><br></pre></div></div=
><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Th=
u, Jul 18, 2019 at 11:44 AM Torben Friis <<a href=3D"mailto:friistf AT gmai=
l.com" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer norefe=
rrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">friistf AT gmail DOT com</a>> wrote:<br></di=
v><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;borde=
r-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div s=
tyle=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">Hi Erich He=
inzie,</div><div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:=
large">After following your advice (a long time ago) I have the following:<=
/div><div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">=
<br></div><div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:la=
rge">/home/gaf/gschem-sym/PICAXE-14M.sym</div><div style=3D"font-family:ari=
al,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">/home/gaf/pcb-elements/SIP3.fp</di=
v><div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large"><pr=
e class=3D"m_8589242386474172575m_-2140574496613393962gmail-m_1868580549148=
386304m_7413857808226013590m_189777687750480261gmail-m_7174615266101921091g=
mail-m_-6811915406325326106m_5811983186306912133gmail-m_-354895190041159941=
2m_-8691906944467973354gmail-m_1492610957059271095m_-7878935548540145437gma=
il-m_-5278762035596455616gmail-code">(component-library-search "../gsc=
hem-sym") in the /home/.gEDA$/gafrc file<br><br></pre><pre class=3D"m_=
8589242386474172575m_-2140574496613393962gmail-m_1868580549148386304m_74138=
57808226013590m_189777687750480261gmail-m_7174615266101921091gmail-m_-68119=
15406325326106m_5811983186306912133gmail-m_-3548951900411599412m_-869190694=
4467973354gmail-m_1492610957059271095m_-7878935548540145437gmail-m_-5278762=
035596455616gmail-code">Should not PICAXE-14M show up in Libraries when I c=
lick Add->Component in gEDA schmatic?<br></pre><pre class=3D"m_858924238=
6474172575m_-2140574496613393962gmail-m_1868580549148386304m_74138578082260=
13590m_189777687750480261gmail-m_7174615266101921091gmail-m_-68119154063253=
26106m_5811983186306912133gmail-m_-3548951900411599412m_-869190694446797335=
4gmail-m_1492610957059271095m_-7878935548540145437gmail-m_-5278762035596455=
616gmail-code">best regards<br></pre><pre class=3D"m_8589242386474172575m_-=
2140574496613393962gmail-m_1868580549148386304m_7413857808226013590m_189777=
687750480261gmail-m_7174615266101921091gmail-m_-6811915406325326106m_581198=
3186306912133gmail-m_-3548951900411599412m_-8691906944467973354gmail-m_1492=
610957059271095m_-7878935548540145437gmail-m_-5278762035596455616gmail-code=
">torben<br></pre></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"lt=
r" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Fri, Feb 15, 2019 at 9:19 PM Erich Heinzle (<a h=
ref=3D"mailto:a1039181 AT gmail DOT com" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer n=
oreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">a1039181 AT gmai=
l.com</a>) [via <a href=3D"mailto:geda-help AT delorie DOT com" rel=3D"noreferrer =
noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target=
=3D"_blank">geda-help AT delorie DOT com</a>] <<a href=3D"mailto:geda-help AT delo=
rie.com" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer nore=
ferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">geda-help AT delorie DOT com</a>> wrote:<b=
r></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex=
;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto"=
><div><a href=3D"http://www.gedasymbols.org/user/erich_heinzle/symbols/PICA=
XE-14M.sym?dl" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferre=
r noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">http://www.gedasymbols.org/user/=
erich_heinzle/symbols/PICAXE-14M.sym?dl</a><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div=
dir=3D"auto">The above link will download the raw symbol file as a .sym fo=
r use in the gschem schematic editor</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div =
dir=3D"auto">The DIP14 footprint required in the pcb layout editor will be =
a .fp file and the raw file can be downloaded from</div><div dir=3D"auto"><=
br></div><div dir=3D"auto"><a href=3D"http://www.gedasymbols.org/footprints=
/m4lib/DIP14.fp?dl" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer nore=
ferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">http://www.gedasymbols.org/=
footprints/m4lib/DIP14.fp?dl</a><br></div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div =
dir=3D"auto">You can place the respective files in the same directory as yo=
ur schematic and pcb layout, but most people will use dedicated directories=
in their project directory for symbols and for footprints.</div><div dir=
=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Regards,</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br><=
/div><div dir=3D"auto">Erich</div><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div d=
ir=3D"ltr">On Fri, 15 Feb 2019 02:34 Torben Friis (<a href=3D"mailto:friist=
f AT gmail DOT com" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer =
noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">friistf AT gmail DOT com</a>) [via <a hre=
f=3D"mailto:geda-help AT delorie DOT com" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer =
noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">geda-help AT de=
lorie.com</a>] <<a href=3D"mailto:geda-help AT delorie DOT com" rel=3D"noreferr=
er noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" targe=
t=3D"_blank">geda-help AT delorie DOT com</a> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D=
"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(2=
04,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div style=
=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">Hi,</div><div s=
tyle=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">I found DIP=
14:</div><div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:lar=
ge"><br></div><div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-siz=
e:large">torben AT torben-Aspire-E5-773G:~$ cat /home/torben/gEDAsym<br><a hre=
f=3D"http://www.gedasymbols.org/footprints/m4lib.cgi?geda" rel=3D"noreferre=
r noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer norefer=
rer" target=3D"_blank">http://www.gedasymbols.org/footprints/m4lib.cgi?geda=
</a>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 <here<br><br><a href=
=3D"http://www.gedasymbols.org/cvs.html" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer noref=
errer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_bl=
ank">http://www.gedasymbols.org/cvs.html</a></div><div style=3D"font-family=
:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large"><br></div><div style=3D"font-f=
amily:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">It looks different from y=
our file if I view it..</div><div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans=
-serif;font-size:large"><br></div><div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica=
,sans-serif;font-size:large">Where should I store the file you sent (if it =
is the file I should store)?</div><div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica=
,sans-serif;font-size:large">torben<br></div></div></div><br><div class=3D"=
gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu, Feb 14, 2019 at =
3:26 PM Chad Parker (<a href=3D"mailto:parker DOT charles AT gmail DOT com" rel=3D"nor=
eferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer n=
oreferrer" target=3D"_blank">parker DOT charles AT gmail DOT com</a>) [via <a href=3D"=
mailto:geda-help AT delorie DOT com" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noref=
errer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">geda-h=
elp AT delorie DOT com</a>] <<a href=3D"mailto:geda-help AT delorie DOT com" rel=3D"no=
referrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer =
noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">geda-help AT delorie DOT com</a>> wrote:<br></div=
><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border=
-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div di=
r=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><a href=3D"http://www.gedasymbols.org/=
user/erich_heinzle/symbols/PICAXE-14M.sym" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer nor=
eferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_=
blank">http://www.gedasymbols.org/user/erich_heinzle/symbols/PICAXE-14M.sym=
</a></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div>It looks like the package is a 14=
-pin DIP, so "DIP14" should work as the footprint.<br></div><div =
dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div>Cheers,</div><div>--Chad<br></div><div dir=3D"lt=
r"><br></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D=
"gmail_attr">On Thu, Feb 14, 2019 at 9:11 AM Torben Friis (<a href=3D"mailt=
o:friistf AT gmail DOT com" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer nor=
eferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">friistf AT gmail DOT c=
om</a>) [via <a href=3D"mailto:geda-help AT delorie DOT com" rel=3D"noreferrer nor=
eferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" =
target=3D"_blank">geda-help AT delorie DOT com</a>] <<a href=3D"mailto:geda-hel=
p AT delorie DOT com" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferre=
r noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">geda-help AT delorie DOT com=
</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:=
0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">=
<div dir=3D"ltr"><div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-=
size:large">Hi ,</div><div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;=
font-size:large">I have been looking fo the above element, but I cannot fin=
d it. I have been looking for .../newlib and found it in two places, but ne=
ither one appeared to provide it.</div><div style=3D"font-family:arial,helv=
etica,sans-serif;font-size:large">Is there anywhere else I can look for it?=
</div><div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large"=
>torben<br></div></div>
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