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Rather than learning to read the x and y coordinates in
Pin[-20000 0 11810 2000 12610 4920 "0" "_1_" "square"]
Pin[0 0 11810 2000 12610 4920 "0" "_2_" ""]
Pin[20000 0 11810 2000 12610 4920 "0" "_3_" ""]
The simplest thing is to open the footprint file in the layout editor and
use the cursor and or the measure function to determine distances.
If you want to learn about the format, I recommend
http://www.ssalewski.de/PcbFootprintRef.txt
Regards,
Erich
On Sun, 21 Jul 2019 06:37 Torben Friis (friistf AT gmail DOT com) [via
geda-help AT delorie DOT com], <geda-help AT delorie DOT com> wrote:
> Hi Erich,
> Where do I find the hole spacing and the hole size in you fp:
>
> Element["" "N MORS 3P " "" "" 0 0 0 -23000 0 100 ""]
> (
> ElementLine[-30000 18000 -30000 14000 1000]
> ElementLine[-30000 14000 30000 14000 1000]
> ElementLine[30000 14000 30000 18000 1000]
> ElementLine[30000 18000 -30000 18000 1000]
> ElementLine[-30000 -18000 -30000 -15000 1000]
> ElementLine[-30000 -18000 30000 -18000 1000]
> ElementLine[30000 -18000 30000 -15000 1000]
> ElementLine[-30000 15000 -30000 -15000 1000]
> ElementLine[30000 15000 30000 -15000 1000]
> Pin[-20000 0 11810 2000 12610 4920 "0" "_1_" "square"]
> Pin[0 0 11810 2000 12610 4920 "0" "_2_" ""]
> Pin[20000 0 11810 2000 12610 4920 "0" "_3_" ""]
> )
>
> best regards
>
> torben
>
>
> On Sat, Jul 20, 2019 at 2:25 PM Erich Heinzle (a1039181 AT gmail DOT com) [via
> geda-help AT delorie DOT com] <geda-help AT delorie DOT com> wrote:
>
>> Good work on the file system.
>>
>> I usually create a project directory and put my usual/frequently used
>> footprints in the packages or fp subdirectory, depending on the naming
>> convention in the template being used.
>>
>> The main thing is to ensure that the screw terminals you are using are
>> spaced 0.2 inches apart. The hole and annulus sizes can be easily modifi=
ed
>> in the layout editor, but pin spacing is harder to modify in an existing
>> footprint. You should always check that footprints you source from
>> elsewhere have sane annuli and hole sizes before sending off the board f=
or
>> fabrication.
>>
>> You are right, any three pin symbol can map to a three pin footprint,
>> provided that the pin labels on the footprint are sane. Sometimes import=
ed
>> symbols like the one you mention need to have the pin name changed to "1=
"
>> instead of "_1_" etc... To make the netlist behave when imported into th=
e
>> layout editor.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Erich
>>
>> On Sat, 20 Jul 2019 19:22 Torben Friis (friistf AT gmail DOT com) [via
>> geda-help AT delorie DOT com], <geda-help AT delorie DOT com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Erich Heinzle,
>>> I solved the immediate problem by changing the file system to:.
>>>
>>>
>>> /home/torben/gaf/gschem-sym
>>> /home/torben/gaf/pcb-elements
>>> /home/torben/.gEDA/gafrc
>>> (cat /home/torben/.gEDA/gafrc
>>> (component-library-search "/home/torben/gaf/gschem-sym")
>>>
>>> but I will setup my system as you have set up yours.
>>>
>>> I need to have some screw terminals set up and I found yours:
>>>
>>> /user/erich_heinzle/kicad/footprints/w_conn_screw.mod/mors_3p.fp
>>>
>>> I could not find the corresponding sym file. Is there one?
>>>
>>> I suppose I can use any(!) sym file as long as I set footprint to
>>> mors_3p.fp in the sym file and enter
>>> /user/erich_heinzle/kicad/footprints/w_conn_screw.mod/mors_3p.fp in the
>>> /home/torben/gaf/pcb-elements file?
>>>
>>> The pins in my screw terminals are =C3=B8 1 mm - is that OK with mors_3=
p.fp
>>> (I dont know how to read a fp-file)?
>>>
>>> best regards
>>> torben
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jul 20, 2019 at 1:09 AM Erich Heinzle (a1039181 AT gmail DOT com) [via
>>> geda-help AT delorie DOT com] <geda-help AT delorie DOT com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Most users, myself included, set up a template, for a per-project
>>>> directory, which has the needed gafrc etc files, and subdirectories wi=
th
>>>> their local foorprints and symbols.
>>>>
>>>> This keeps a given design safe from filesystem changes or changes to
>>>> elements subsequently.
>>>>
>>>> It also means that once set up, it doesn't need to be thought about
>>>> much.
>>>>
>>>> Here are some examples on github which should show you how to aim the
>>>> layout editor at a partucular directory, i.e. "fp" or "packages" in th=
ese
>>>> examples
>>>>
>>>> https://github.com/miloh/gEDA-git-template
>>>>
>>>> https://github.com/nocko/gEDA-template
>>>>
>>>> https://github.com/wojciechk8/geda-sym
>>>>
>>>> These examples should show you how it can be done
>>>>
>>>> Erich.
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, 20 Jul 2019 01:16 Torben Friis (friistf AT gmail DOT com) [via
>>>> geda-help AT delorie DOT com], <geda-help AT delorie DOT com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Erich Heinzie,
>>>>> I think so. If I may reformulate it to show that I understand:
>>>>> The PICAXE14M.sym file contains a statement: footprint unknown. When =
I
>>>>> enter the symbol on the schematic I add the footprint attribute DIP14=
. The
>>>>> PCB program then picks it up from tha Symbol file and find the DIP14
>>>>> footprint from /home/gaf/pcb-elements.
>>>>>
>>>>> Then the files:
>>>>> /home/gaf/gschem-sym
>>>>> (ls /home/gaf/gschem-sym
>>>>> PICAXE-14M.sym)
>>>>>
>>>>> /home/gaf/pcb-elements
>>>>> (ls /home/gaf/pcb-elements
>>>>> DIP14.fp)
>>>>>
>>>>> /home/.gEDA/gafrc
>>>>> (cat /home/.gEDA/gafrc
>>>>> (component-library-search "/home/gaf/gschem-sym")
>>>>>
>>>>> should do the job?
>>>>>
>>>>> But then, when I have filled in the files, how do I make the
>>>>> PICAXE14M.sym appear correctly in the add->component list?:
>>>>>
>>>>> > Basic devices
>>>>> > Connectors (generic)
>>>>> .
>>>>> .
>>>>> .
>>>>>
>>>>> I want to understand the stuff completely and really appreciate your
>>>>> help.
>>>>> best regards
>>>>> torben
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 12:41 PM Erich Heinzle (a1039181 AT gmail DOT com)
>>>>> [via geda-help AT delorie DOT com] <geda-help AT delorie DOT com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> In general, gschem is unaware of footprint file names, or the detail=
s
>>>>>> of any other attributes you attach to a symbol from a symbol library
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The usual procedure, after adding your symbol to the schematic from =
a
>>>>>> library, is to add an "attribute" to the symbol, in this case a "foo=
tprint"
>>>>>> attribute, equal to "DIP14"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The schematic file will end up with an ectra attribute within the
>>>>>> picaxe instance, along the libes of
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "footprint=3DDIP18"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The PCB layout editor, when you proceed to lay out uour design, is
>>>>>> the software that has an understanding of footprint attributes, and =
will
>>>>>> search its library paths for a DIP18
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Does that help?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Erich
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, 19 Jul 2019 18:51 Torben Friis (friistf AT gmail DOT com) [via
>>>>>> geda-help AT delorie DOT com], <geda-help AT delorie DOT com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Erich Heinzie,
>>>>>>> It should have been:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> /home/gaf/DIP14.fp
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> (component-library-search "/home/gaf/gschem-sym") in the /home/.gED=
A/gafrc file
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I still have the problem of having PICAXE14M not showing up in the =
libraries list.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> When in http://www.gedasymbols.org/ i search for screw terminal I g=
et a lot of .fp files, but no .sym files. How should they be handled?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It is rather confusing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> best regards
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> torben
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, Jul 18, 2019 at 11:44 AM Torben Friis <friistf AT gmail DOT com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi Erich Heinzie,
>>>>>>>> After following your advice (a long time ago) I have the following=
:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> /home/gaf/gschem-sym/PICAXE-14M.sym
>>>>>>>> /home/gaf/pcb-elements/SIP3.fp
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> (component-library-search "../gschem-sym") in the /home/.gEDA$/gaf=
rc file
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Should not PICAXE-14M show up in Libraries when I click Add->Compo=
nent in gEDA schmatic?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> best regards
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> torben
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 15, 2019 at 9:19 PM Erich Heinzle (a1039181 AT gmail DOT com)
>>>>>>>> [via geda-help AT delorie DOT com] <geda-help AT delorie DOT com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://www.gedasymbols.org/user/erich_heinzle/symbols/PICAXE-14M.=
sym?dl
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The above link will download the raw symbol file as a .sym for us=
e
>>>>>>>>> in the gschem schematic editor
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The DIP14 footprint required in the pcb layout editor will be a
>>>>>>>>> .fp file and the raw file can be downloaded from
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://www.gedasymbols.org/footprints/m4lib/DIP14.fp?dl
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You can place the respective files in the same directory as your
>>>>>>>>> schematic and pcb layout, but most people will use dedicated dire=
ctories in
>>>>>>>>> their project directory for symbols and for footprints.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Erich
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 15 Feb 2019 02:34 Torben Friis (friistf AT gmail DOT com) [via
>>>>>>>>> geda-help AT delorie DOT com] <geda-help AT delorie DOT com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>> I found DIP14:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> torben AT torben-Aspire-E5-773G:~$ cat /home/torben/gEDAsym
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.gedasymbols.org/footprints/m4lib.cgi?geda
>>>>>>>>>> <here
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.gedasymbols.org/cvs.html
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It looks different from your file if I view it..
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Where should I store the file you sent (if it is the file I
>>>>>>>>>> should store)?
>>>>>>>>>> torben
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Feb 14, 2019 at 3:26 PM Chad Parker (
>>>>>>>>>> parker DOT charles AT gmail DOT com) [via geda-help AT delorie DOT com] <
>>>>>>>>>> geda-help AT delorie DOT com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.gedasymbols.org/user/erich_heinzle/symbols/PICAXE-14=
M.sym
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> It looks like the package is a 14-pin DIP, so "DIP14" should
>>>>>>>>>>> work as the footprint.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>> --Chad
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Feb 14, 2019 at 9:11 AM Torben Friis (friistf AT gmail DOT com=
)
>>>>>>>>>>> [via geda-help AT delorie DOT com] <geda-help AT delorie DOT com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi ,
>>>>>>>>>>>> I have been looking fo the above element, but I cannot find it=
.
>>>>>>>>>>>> I have been looking for .../newlib and found it in two places,=
but neither
>>>>>>>>>>>> one appeared to provide it.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Is there anywhere else I can look for it?
>>>>>>>>>>>> torben
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
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<div dir=3D"auto"><div>Rather than learning to read the x and y coordinates=
in=C2=A0</div><div dir=3D"auto"><pre>Pin[-20000 0 11810 2000 12610 4920 &q=
uot;0" "_1_" "square"]
Pin[0 0 11810 2000 12610 4920 "0" "_2_" ""]
Pin[20000 0 11810 2000 12610 4920 "0" "_3_" ""=
;]
</pre>The simplest thing is to open the footprint file in the layout editor=
and use the cursor and or the measure function to determine distances.</di=
v><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">If you want to learn about =
the format, I recommend</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">=
<a href=3D"http://www.ssalewski.de/PcbFootprintRef.txt">http://www.ssalewsk=
i.de/PcbFootprintRef.txt</a><br></div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=
=3D"auto">Regards,</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Erich=
<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote" dir=3D"auto"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"g=
mail_attr">On Sun, 21 Jul 2019 06:37 Torben Friis (<a href=3D"mailto:friist=
f AT gmail DOT com" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">friistf AT gmail DOT com</a>) [v=
ia <a href=3D"mailto:geda-help AT delorie DOT com" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"norefe=
rrer">geda-help AT delorie DOT com</a>], <<a href=3D"mailto:geda-help AT delorie DOT c=
om" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">geda-help AT delorie DOT com</a>> wrot=
e:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;bo=
rder-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr=
"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-se=
rif;font-size:large">Hi Erich,</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"f=
ont-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">Where do I find the =
hole spacing and the hole size in you fp:</div><div class=3D"gmail_default"=
style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large"><br></div=
><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-ser=
if;font-size:large"><pre>Element["" "N MORS 3P " "=
" "" 0 0 0 -23000 0 100 ""]
(
ElementLine[-30000 18000 -30000 14000 1000]
ElementLine[-30000 14000 30000 14000 1000]
ElementLine[30000 14000 30000 18000 1000]
ElementLine[30000 18000 -30000 18000 1000]
ElementLine[-30000 -18000 -30000 -15000 1000]
ElementLine[-30000 -18000 30000 -18000 1000]
ElementLine[30000 -18000 30000 -15000 1000]
ElementLine[-30000 15000 -30000 -15000 1000]
ElementLine[30000 15000 30000 -15000 1000]
Pin[-20000 0 11810 2000 12610 4920 "0" "_1_" "squa=
re"]
Pin[0 0 11810 2000 12610 4920 "0" "_2_" ""]
Pin[20000 0 11810 2000 12610 4920 "0" "_3_" ""=
;]
)<br></pre><pre>best regards<br></pre><pre>torben<br></pre></div></div><br>=
<div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sat, Ju=
l 20, 2019 at 2:25 PM Erich Heinzle (<a href=3D"mailto:a1039181 AT gmail DOT com" =
rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">a1039181 AT gmail DOT com</a>) [vi=
a <a href=3D"mailto:geda-help AT delorie DOT com" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" ta=
rget=3D"_blank">geda-help AT delorie DOT com</a>] <<a href=3D"mailto:geda-help@=
delorie.com" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">geda-help AT delo=
rie.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"=
margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-lef=
t:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto"><div>Good work on the file system.</div><div dir=
=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">I usually create a project directory =
and put my usual/frequently used footprints in the packages or fp subdirect=
ory, depending on the naming convention in the template being used.</div><d=
iv dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">The main thing is to ensure tha=
t the=C2=A0 screw terminals you are using are spaced 0.2 inches apart. The =
hole and annulus sizes can be easily modified in the layout editor, but pin=
spacing is harder to modify in an existing footprint. You should always ch=
eck that footprints you source from elsewhere have sane annuli and hole siz=
es before sending off the board for fabrication.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br=
></div><div dir=3D"auto">You are right, any three pin symbol can map to a t=
hree pin footprint, provided that the pin labels on the footprint are sane.=
Sometimes imported symbols like the one you mention need to have the pin n=
ame changed to "1" instead of "_1_" etc... To make the =
netlist behave when imported into the layout editor.<br><br>Regards,</div><=
div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Erich<br><br><div class=3D"gma=
il_quote" dir=3D"auto"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sat, 20 Jul=
2019 19:22 Torben Friis (<a href=3D"mailto:friistf AT gmail DOT com" rel=3D"noref=
errer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">friistf AT gmail DOT com</a>) [via <a href=3D"=
mailto:geda-help AT delorie DOT com" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blan=
k">geda-help AT delorie DOT com</a>], <<a href=3D"mailto:geda-help AT delorie DOT com"=
rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">geda-help AT delorie DOT com</a>&=
gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0=
px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div =
dir=3D"ltr"><div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:=
large">Hi Erich Heinzle,<br>I solved the immediate problem by changing the =
file system to:.<br><br><br>/home/torben/gaf/gschem-sym<br>/home/torben/gaf=
/pcb-elements<br>/home/torben/.gEDA/gafrc<br>(cat /home/torben/.gEDA/gafrc<=
br>(component-library-search "/home/torben/gaf/gschem-sym")<br><b=
r>but I will setup my system as you have set up yours.<br><br>I need to hav=
e some screw terminals set up and I found yours:<br><br>/user/erich_heinzle=
/kicad/footprints/w_conn_screw.mod/mors_3p.fp<br><br>I could not find the c=
orresponding sym file. Is there one?<br><br>I suppose I can use any(!) sym =
file as long as I set footprint to mors_3p.fp in the sym file and enter /us=
er/erich_heinzle/kicad/footprints/w_conn_screw.mod/mors_3p.fp in the /home/=
torben/gaf/pcb-elements file?<br><br>The pins in my screw terminals are =C3=
=B8 1 mm - is that OK with mors_3p.fp (I dont know how to read a fp-file)?<=
br><br>best regards<br>torben</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><di=
v dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sat, Jul 20, 2019 at 1:09 AM Erich He=
inzle (<a href=3D"mailto:a1039181 AT gmail DOT com" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer n=
oreferrer" target=3D"_blank">a1039181 AT gmail DOT com</a>) [via <a href=3D"mailto=
:geda-help AT delorie DOT com" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"=
_blank">geda-help AT delorie DOT com</a>] <<a href=3D"mailto:geda-help AT delorie.=
com" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">geda-help AT d=
elorie.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=
=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding=
-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto"><div dir=3D"auto">Most users, myself included,=
set up a template, for a per-project directory, which has the needed gafrc=
etc files, and subdirectories with their local foorprints and symbols.</di=
v><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">This keeps a given design s=
afe from filesystem changes or changes to elements subsequently.</div><div =
dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">It also means that once set up, it=
doesn't need to be thought about much.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></di=
v><div dir=3D"auto">Here are some examples on github which should show you =
how to aim the layout editor at a partucular directory, i.e. "fp"=
or "packages" in these examples</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div=
><div dir=3D"auto"><a href=3D"https://github.com/miloh/gEDA-git-template" r=
el=3D"noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://github.co=
m/miloh/gEDA-git-template</a><br></div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=
=3D"auto"><a href=3D"https://github.com/nocko/gEDA-template" rel=3D"norefer=
rer noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://github.com/nocko/gEDA-=
template</a><br></div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto"><a href=
=3D"https://github.com/wojciechk8/geda-sym" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer no=
referrer" target=3D"_blank">https://github.com/wojciechk8/geda-sym</a><br><=
/div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">These examples should sh=
ow you how it can be done</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto=
">Erich.</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=
=3D"gmail_attr">On Sat, 20 Jul 2019 01:16 Torben Friis (<a href=3D"mailto:f=
riistf AT gmail DOT com" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank=
">friistf AT gmail DOT com</a>) [via <a href=3D"mailto:geda-help AT delorie DOT com" rel=
=3D"noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">geda-help AT delorie DOT c=
om</a>], <<a href=3D"mailto:geda-help AT delorie DOT com" rel=3D"noreferrer nor=
eferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">geda-help AT delorie DOT com</a>> wrote:<=
br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8e=
x;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"=
><div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">Hi E=
rich Heinzie,<br>I think so. If I may reformulate it to show that I underst=
and:<br>The PICAXE14M.sym file contains a statement: footprint unknown. Whe=
n I enter the symbol on the schematic I add the footprint attribute DIP14. =
The PCB program then picks it up from tha Symbol file and find the DIP14 fo=
otprint from /home/gaf/pcb-elements.<br><br>Then the files:<br>/home/gaf/gs=
chem-sym<br>(ls /home/gaf/gschem-sym<br>PICAXE-14M.sym)<br><br>/home/gaf/pc=
b-elements<br>(ls /home/gaf/pcb-elements<br>DIP14.fp)<br><br>/home/.gEDA/ga=
frc<br>(cat /home/.gEDA/gafrc<br>(component-library-search "/home/gaf/=
gschem-sym")<br><br>should do the job?<br><br>But then, when I have fi=
lled in the files, how do I make the PICAXE14M.sym appear correctly in the =
add->component list?:<br><br>> Basic devices<br>> Connectors (gene=
ric)<br>.<br>.<br>.<br><br>I want to understand the stuff completely and re=
ally appreciate your help.<br>best regards<br>torben</div></div><br><div cl=
ass=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Fri, Jul 19, 2=
019 at 12:41 PM Erich Heinzle (<a href=3D"mailto:a1039181 AT gmail DOT com" rel=3D=
"noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">a1039181 AT gm=
ail.com</a>) [via <a href=3D"mailto:geda-help AT delorie DOT com" rel=3D"noreferre=
r noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">geda-help AT delorie DOT com=
</a>] <<a href=3D"mailto:geda-help AT delorie DOT com" rel=3D"noreferrer norefe=
rrer noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">geda-help AT delorie DOT com</a>>=
wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px =
0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=
=3D"auto">In general, gschem is unaware of footprint file names, or the det=
ails of any other attributes you attach to a symbol from a symbol library<d=
iv dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">The usual procedure, after addi=
ng your symbol to the schematic from a library, is to add an "attribut=
e" to the symbol, in this case a "footprint" attribute, equa=
l to "DIP14"</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">T=
he schematic file will end up with an ectra attribute within the picaxe ins=
tance, along the libes of</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto=
">"footprint=3DDIP18"</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=
=3D"auto">The PCB layout editor, when you proceed to lay out uour design, i=
s the software that has an understanding of footprint attributes, and will =
search its library paths for a DIP18=C2=A0</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div=
><div dir=3D"auto">Does that=C2=A0help?</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><d=
iv dir=3D"auto">Erich</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto"><b=
r></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmai=
l_attr">On Fri, 19 Jul 2019 18:51 Torben Friis (<a href=3D"mailto:friistf AT g=
mail.com" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_bl=
ank">friistf AT gmail DOT com</a>) [via <a href=3D"mailto:geda-help AT delorie DOT com" r=
el=3D"noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">geda-h=
elp AT delorie DOT com</a>], <<a href=3D"mailto:geda-help AT delorie DOT com" rel=3D"n=
oreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">geda-help AT del=
orie.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D=
"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-le=
ft:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-ser=
if;font-size:large">Hi Erich Heinzie,</div><div style=3D"font-family:arial,=
helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">It should have been:</div><div style=
=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large"><br></div><div =
style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">/home/gaf/=
DIP14.fp</div><div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-siz=
e:large"><br></div><div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;fon=
t-size:large">and<br></div><div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-s=
erif;font-size:large"><pre class=3D"m_7413857808226013590m_1897776877504802=
61gmail-m_7174615266101921091gmail-m_-6811915406325326106m_5811983186306912=
133gmail-m_-3548951900411599412m_-8691906944467973354gmail-m_14926109570592=
71095m_-7878935548540145437gmail-m_-5278762035596455616gmail-code">(compone=
nt-library-search "/home/gaf/gschem-sym") in the /home/.gEDA/gafr=
c file<br><br></pre><pre class=3D"m_7413857808226013590m_189777687750480261=
gmail-m_7174615266101921091gmail-m_-6811915406325326106m_581198318630691213=
3gmail-m_-3548951900411599412m_-8691906944467973354gmail-m_1492610957059271=
095m_-7878935548540145437gmail-m_-5278762035596455616gmail-code">I still ha=
ve the problem of having PICAXE14M not showing up in the libraries list.<br=
><br></pre><pre class=3D"m_7413857808226013590m_189777687750480261gmail-m_7=
174615266101921091gmail-m_-6811915406325326106m_5811983186306912133gmail-m_=
-3548951900411599412m_-8691906944467973354gmail-m_1492610957059271095m_-787=
8935548540145437gmail-m_-5278762035596455616gmail-code">When in <a href=3D"=
http://www.gedasymbols.org/" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer norefe=
rrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">http://www.gedasymbols.org/</a> i search=
for screw terminal I get a lot of .fp files, but no .sym files. How should=
they be handled?<br></pre><pre class=3D"m_7413857808226013590m_18977768775=
0480261gmail-m_7174615266101921091gmail-m_-6811915406325326106m_58119831863=
06912133gmail-m_-3548951900411599412m_-8691906944467973354gmail-m_149261095=
7059271095m_-7878935548540145437gmail-m_-5278762035596455616gmail-code">It =
is rather confusing.<br></pre><pre class=3D"m_7413857808226013590m_18977768=
7750480261gmail-m_7174615266101921091gmail-m_-6811915406325326106m_58119831=
86306912133gmail-m_-3548951900411599412m_-8691906944467973354gmail-m_149261=
0957059271095m_-7878935548540145437gmail-m_-5278762035596455616gmail-code">=
best regards<br></pre><pre class=3D"m_7413857808226013590m_1897776877504802=
61gmail-m_7174615266101921091gmail-m_-6811915406325326106m_5811983186306912=
133gmail-m_-3548951900411599412m_-8691906944467973354gmail-m_14926109570592=
71095m_-7878935548540145437gmail-m_-5278762035596455616gmail-code">torben<b=
r></pre><pre class=3D"m_7413857808226013590m_189777687750480261gmail-m_7174=
615266101921091gmail-m_-6811915406325326106m_5811983186306912133gmail-m_-35=
48951900411599412m_-8691906944467973354gmail-m_1492610957059271095m_-787893=
5548540145437gmail-m_-5278762035596455616gmail-code"><br><br></pre></div></=
div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On=
Thu, Jul 18, 2019 at 11:44 AM Torben Friis <<a href=3D"mailto:friistf AT g=
mail.com" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" ta=
rget=3D"_blank">friistf AT gmail DOT com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=
=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rg=
b(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div style=3D"font-family=
:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">Hi Erich Heinzie,</div><div st=
yle=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">After follow=
ing your advice (a long time ago) I have the following:</div><div style=3D"=
font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large"><br></div><div styl=
e=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">/home/gaf/gsch=
em-sym/PICAXE-14M.sym</div><div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-s=
erif;font-size:large">/home/gaf/pcb-elements/SIP3.fp</div><div style=3D"fon=
t-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large"><pre class=3D"m_741385=
7808226013590m_189777687750480261gmail-m_7174615266101921091gmail-m_-681191=
5406325326106m_5811983186306912133gmail-m_-3548951900411599412m_-8691906944=
467973354gmail-m_1492610957059271095m_-7878935548540145437gmail-m_-52787620=
35596455616gmail-code">(component-library-search "../gschem-sym")=
in the /home/.gEDA$/gafrc file<br><br></pre><pre class=3D"m_74138578082260=
13590m_189777687750480261gmail-m_7174615266101921091gmail-m_-68119154063253=
26106m_5811983186306912133gmail-m_-3548951900411599412m_-869190694446797335=
4gmail-m_1492610957059271095m_-7878935548540145437gmail-m_-5278762035596455=
616gmail-code">Should not PICAXE-14M show up in Libraries when I click Add-=
>Component in gEDA schmatic?<br></pre><pre class=3D"m_741385780822601359=
0m_189777687750480261gmail-m_7174615266101921091gmail-m_-681191540632532610=
6m_5811983186306912133gmail-m_-3548951900411599412m_-8691906944467973354gma=
il-m_1492610957059271095m_-7878935548540145437gmail-m_-5278762035596455616g=
mail-code">best regards<br></pre><pre class=3D"m_7413857808226013590m_18977=
7687750480261gmail-m_7174615266101921091gmail-m_-6811915406325326106m_58119=
83186306912133gmail-m_-3548951900411599412m_-8691906944467973354gmail-m_149=
2610957059271095m_-7878935548540145437gmail-m_-5278762035596455616gmail-cod=
e">torben<br></pre></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"l=
tr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Fri, Feb 15, 2019 at 9:19 PM Erich Heinzle (<a =
href=3D"mailto:a1039181 AT gmail DOT com" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer =
noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">a1039181 AT gmail DOT com</a>) [via <a hr=
ef=3D"mailto:geda-help AT delorie DOT com" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer=
noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">geda-help AT delorie DOT com</a>] <<a=
href=3D"mailto:geda-help AT delorie DOT com" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer norefer=
rer noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">geda-help AT delorie DOT com</a>> =
wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0=
px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=
=3D"auto"><div><a href=3D"http://www.gedasymbols.org/user/erich_heinzle/sym=
bols/PICAXE-14M.sym?dl" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer =
noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">http://www.gedasymbols.org/user/erich_heinzle=
/symbols/PICAXE-14M.sym?dl</a><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto"=
>The above link will download the raw symbol file as a .sym for use in the =
gschem schematic editor</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">=
The DIP14 footprint required in the pcb layout editor will be a .fp file an=
d the raw file can be downloaded from</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div=
dir=3D"auto"><a href=3D"http://www.gedasymbols.org/footprints/m4lib/DIP14.=
fp?dl" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" targe=
t=3D"_blank">http://www.gedasymbols.org/footprints/m4lib/DIP14.fp?dl</a><br=
></div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">You can place the resp=
ective files in the same directory as your schematic and pcb layout, but mo=
st people will use dedicated directories in their project directory for sym=
bols and for footprints.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto"=
>Regards,</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Erich</div><br=
><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr">On Fri, 15 Feb 2019 02:34 =
Torben Friis (<a href=3D"mailto:friistf AT gmail DOT com" rel=3D"noreferrer norefe=
rrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">friistf AT gmail DOT com<=
/a>) [via <a href=3D"mailto:geda-help AT delorie DOT com" rel=3D"noreferrer norefe=
rrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">geda-help AT delorie.=
com</a>] <<a href=3D"mailto:geda-help AT delorie DOT com" rel=3D"noreferrer nor=
eferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">geda-help AT delor=
ie.com</a> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margi=
n:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex=
"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div style=3D"font-family:arial,helveti=
ca,sans-serif;font-size:large">Hi,</div><div style=3D"font-family:arial,hel=
vetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">I found DIP14:</div><div style=3D"font-f=
amily:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large"><br></div><div style=3D"f=
ont-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">torben AT torben-Aspire=
-E5-773G:~$ cat /home/torben/gEDAsym<br><a href=3D"http://www.gedasymbols.o=
rg/footprints/m4lib.cgi?geda" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noref=
errer noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">http://www.gedasymbols.org/f=
ootprints/m4lib.cgi?geda</a>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
<here<br><br><a href=3D"http://www.gedasymbols.org/cvs.html" rel=3D"nor=
eferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_=
blank">http://www.gedasymbols.org/cvs.html</a></div><div style=3D"font-fami=
ly:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large"><br></div><div style=3D"font=
-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">It looks different from=
your file if I view it..</div><div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sa=
ns-serif;font-size:large"><br></div><div style=3D"font-family:arial,helveti=
ca,sans-serif;font-size:large">Where should I store the file you sent (if i=
t is the file I should store)?</div><div style=3D"font-family:arial,helveti=
ca,sans-serif;font-size:large">torben<br></div></div></div><br><div class=
=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu, Feb 14, 2019=
at 3:26 PM Chad Parker (<a href=3D"mailto:parker DOT charles AT gmail DOT com" rel=3D=
"noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target=
=3D"_blank">parker DOT charles AT gmail DOT com</a>) [via <a href=3D"mailto:geda-help@=
delorie.com" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer =
noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">geda-help AT delorie DOT com</a>] <<a href=3D"mai=
lto:geda-help AT delorie DOT com" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferr=
er noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">geda-help AT delorie DOT com</a>> w=
rote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0p=
x 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=
=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><a href=3D"http://www.=
gedasymbols.org/user/erich_heinzle/symbols/PICAXE-14M.sym" rel=3D"noreferre=
r noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank"=
>http://www.gedasymbols.org/user/erich_heinzle/symbols/PICAXE-14M.sym</a></=
div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div>It looks like the package is a 14-pin D=
IP, so "DIP14" should work as the footprint.<br></div><div dir=3D=
"ltr"><br></div><div>Cheers,</div><div>--Chad<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br=
></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail=
_attr">On Thu, Feb 14, 2019 at 9:11 AM Torben Friis (<a href=3D"mailto:frii=
stf AT gmail DOT com" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferre=
r noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">friistf AT gmail DOT com</a>) [via <a href=3D"mail=
to:geda-help AT delorie DOT com" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferre=
r noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">geda-help AT delorie DOT com</a>] <<=
a href=3D"mailto:geda-help AT delorie DOT com" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer norefe=
rrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">geda-help AT delorie.=
com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"marg=
in:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1e=
x"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;fo=
nt-size:large">Hi ,</div><div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-ser=
if;font-size:large">I have been looking fo the above element, but I cannot =
find it. I have been looking for .../newlib and found it in two places, but=
neither one appeared to provide it.</div><div style=3D"font-family:arial,h=
elvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">Is there anywhere else I can look for =
it?</div><div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:lar=
ge">torben<br></div></div>
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