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Hi,
I am still not quite sure what to do. I have created the file:
torben AT torben-Aspire-E5-773G:/usr/share/gEDA$ ls /home/.gEDA/gafrc
/home/.gEDA/gafrc
torben AT torben-Aspire-E5-773G:/usr/share/gEDA$ cat /home/.gEDA/gafrc
(component-library-search "../gschem-sym")
I have version GSCHEM 1.8.2.
I suppose that I have to fill the files "gaf/gschem-sym/" and
"gaf/pcb-elements/packages/".
I have found a file (CVS Access):
PCB "~geda" library
01005 - Standard SMT resistor, capacitor etc
0201 - Standard SMT resistor, capacitor etc
0402 - Standard SMT resistor, capacitor etc
0603 - Standard SMT resistor, capacitor etc
0805 - Standard SMT resistor, capacitor etc
1008 - Standard SMT resistor, capacitor etc
1206 - Standard SMT resistor, capacitor etc
1210 - Standard SMT resistor, capacitor etc
1806 - Standard SMT resistor, capacitor etc
1806 - Standard SMT resistor, capacitor etc
1825 - Standard SMT resistor, capacitor etc
2706 - Standard SMT resistor, capacitor etc
ACY1000 - Axial non-polar component (typically resistor or capacitor),
ACY1000P - Axial polar component (typically capacitor),
.
.
.
If that is indeed the PCB-elements file, where do I find the corresponding
symbols file?
best regards
torben
On Thu, Jan 10, 2019 at 2:49 PM Chad Parker (parker DOT charles AT gmail DOT com) [via
geda-help AT delorie DOT com] <geda-help AT delorie DOT com> wrote:
> Torben-
>
> Look under the "Setup" section of the tutorial where he talks about
> setting up a project directory structure.
>
> http://wiki.geda-project.org/geda:gsch2pcb_tutorial#setup
>
> "in each project directory (like myproject1 and myproject2) there could be
> a *gafrc* file..."
>
> --Chad
>
> On Thu, Jan 10, 2019 at 4:14 AM Torben Friis (friistf AT gmail DOT com) [via
> geda-help AT delorie DOT com] <geda-help AT delorie DOT com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Chad,
>> Before I got your reply I had prepared the following:
>> I might add that I have added "picaxe" to /usr/share/gEDA/sym/ with the
>> following 3 symbols:
>>
>> SIP3.fp
>> SIP4.fp
>> SO8W.fp
>>
>> but picaxe does not show up under Library.
>>
>> I have followed BW's tutorial, but I do not have a gafrc file. How do I
>> get that?
>> torben
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 9, 2019 at 1:43 PM Torben Friis <friistf AT gmail DOT com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Chad,
>>> In gschem I only have "library" to chose symbols from. I wanted more -
>>> fx. newlib. How do I get it?
>>>
>>> I have used the instructions in:
>>>
>>> http://www.gedasymbols.org/cvs.html
>>>
>>> to place the following:
>>>
>>> torben AT torben-Aspire-E5-773G: ls /home/geda
>>> CVS CVSROOT scripts www
>>>
>>> where /home/geda was an empty directory.
>>>
>>> torben AT torben-Aspire-E5-773G:/home/geda/scripts$ ls
>>> 2pad.cgi dilpad.cgi footprint.pcb reindex
>>> cgi-lib.pl eps2png global_list.cgi search.cgi
>>> csv.cgi footprint.cgi make-fp-library symbol.cgi
>>> CVS footprint.html math.pl symbol.html
>>>
>>> Can I get from this to a more comprehensive list of symbols in gschem? I
>>> am stuck.
>>> best regards
>>> torben
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jan 3, 2019 at 7:58 PM Torben Friis <friistf AT gmail DOT com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Chad,
>>>> OK. I will try again.
>>>> torben
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Jan 3, 2019 at 3:45 PM Chad Parker (parker DOT charles AT gmail DOT com)
>>>> [via geda-help AT delorie DOT com] <geda-help AT delorie DOT com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Torben-
>>>>>
>>>>> The square terminal generally indicates "pin 1" of the device. This is
>>>>> done so that when you're installing the components, you know the proper
>>>>> orientation. For some parts this is important, like for the opamps in the
>>>>> design. For other parts, like the resistors, it doesn't matter, they can go
>>>>> either way.
>>>>>
>>>>> Part of the fun of building a circuit board is figuring out where to
>>>>> place the components and how to connect them, kind of like a puzzle, but
>>>>> with no one answer. You can place them however you like. Many people use a
>>>>> strategy where you try to place the parts such that you minimize the
>>>>> lengths of the traces connecting those parts. You could also arrange them
>>>>> in a pattern to resemble a bug, or a star, or anything you find
>>>>> aesthetically pleasing. In most cases (i.e. not radio frequency or high
>>>>> speed (>10s of MHz) digital electronics), the exact placement of parts
>>>>> doesn't matter.
>>>>>
>>>>> --Chad
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Jan 3, 2019 at 9:32 AM Torben Friis (friistf AT gmail DOT com) [via
>>>>> geda-help AT delorie DOT com] <geda-help AT delorie DOT com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Chad,
>>>>>> Should I place R101, R102 and R103 together? And if I do, should'nt
>>>>>> R103 have round terminal points at both ends? I assume that the square ones
>>>>>> are to be connected to the GND.
>>>>>> I am not an electronics expert.
>>>>>> torben
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Jan 3, 2019 at 2:13 PM Chad Parker (parker DOT charles AT gmail DOT com)
>>>>>> [via geda-help AT delorie DOT com] <geda-help AT delorie DOT com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Torben-
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Okay, I see what you're referring to. This is a bug in the tutorial.
>>>>>>> It looks to me like the first set of figures were created with an older
>>>>>>> version of PCB and the other set with a newer one and a later date. What
>>>>>>> likely happened is that the same circuit was used, but the schematic was
>>>>>>> redrawn when the new figures were added, and because the parts would have
>>>>>>> been arranged differently, the reference designators ended up changing. The
>>>>>>> underlying circuit appears to be the same, just the names of the parts have
>>>>>>> been swapped. You can even see that the footprint of R101 is different.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ultimately, the rat lines on your pcb should be consistent with the
>>>>>>> connections you made in the schematic. So, as long as you connect your
>>>>>>> parts accordingly, you should be fine.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks for pointing this out. We should fix it so that it's
>>>>>>> consistent.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>> --Chad
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 2, 2019 at 5:36 PM Torben Friis (friistf AT gmail DOT com)
>>>>>>> [via geda-help AT delorie DOT com] <geda-help AT delorie DOT com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi Chad,
>>>>>>>> The link is:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://wiki.geda-project.org/geda:gsch2pcb_tutorial
>>>>>>>> best regards
>>>>>>>> torben
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 2, 2019 at 10:55 PM Chad Parker (
>>>>>>>> parker DOT charles AT gmail DOT com) [via geda-help AT delorie DOT com] <
>>>>>>>> geda-help AT delorie DOT com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Torben-
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Are you still working through the Bill Wilson tutorial? If so, I'm
>>>>>>>>> not sure what you mean by page 6. Can you please provide a link to the
>>>>>>>>> tutorial you're referring to?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>> --Chad
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 2, 2019 at 3:44 PM Torben Friis (friistf AT gmail DOT com)
>>>>>>>>> [via geda-help AT delorie DOT com] <geda-help AT delorie DOT com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hi Chad,
>>>>>>>>>> I am confused by the UBUNTU geda tutorial.
>>>>>>>>>> In the beginning R101, R102 and R103 are placed together. On page
>>>>>>>>>> 6 R102, R201 and R103 are placed together in the same place and R102 is
>>>>>>>>>> placed where R201 was before.
>>>>>>>>>> I have other problems - fx with lines created in PCB - but I
>>>>>>>>>> would take one example to see if the confusion is my problem.
>>>>>>>>>> torben
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Dec 29, 2018 at 5:10 PM Torben Friis <friistf AT gmail DOT com>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Chad,
>>>>>>>>>>> I deleted all files except Project, one.sch and two.sch and ran
>>>>>>>>>>> gsch2pcb once - and it worked.
>>>>>>>>>>> torben
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 26, 2018 at 11:11 PM Chad Parker (
>>>>>>>>>>> parker DOT charles AT gmail DOT com) [via geda-help AT delorie DOT com] <
>>>>>>>>>>> geda-help AT delorie DOT com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Torben-
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The second time you run gsch2pcb it looks at the differences.
>>>>>>>>>>>> The first time it may not have picked up all of the elements due to
>>>>>>>>>>>> footprint name errors. The second time (and all subsequent times) you run
>>>>>>>>>>>> it, it produces board.*new*.pcb, which contains the new
>>>>>>>>>>>> elements, so that it doesn't overwrite your original file. To get them into
>>>>>>>>>>>> the layout, you have to do as it says: open the layout then go to the file
>>>>>>>>>>>> menu, select "load layout data to paste buffer", and select board.new.pcb.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Then you can paste them into the layout.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Alternatively, if you haven't done any work on the pcb yet, you
>>>>>>>>>>>> can delete board.pcb and board.new.pcb and rerun gsch2pcb.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Also, make sure that you execute Select > Disperse All
>>>>>>>>>>>> Elements, as sometimes the elements will overlap when they're brought into
>>>>>>>>>>>> the layout.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>>> --Chad
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 26, 2018 at 2:44 PM Torben Friis (friistf AT gmail DOT com)
>>>>>>>>>>>> [via geda-help AT delorie DOT com] <geda-help AT delorie DOT com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is rather confusing. When I run gsch2pcb project I get:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Done processing. Work performed:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 5 file elements and 0 m4 elements added to board.new.pcb.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Next steps:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. Run pcb on your file board.pcb.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. From within PCB, select "File -> Load layout data to paste
>>>>>>>>>>>>> buffer"
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and select board.new.pcb to load the new footprints into
>>>>>>>>>>>>> your existing layout.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3. From within PCB, select "File -> Load netlist file" and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> select
>>>>>>>>>>>>> board.net to load the updated netlist.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4. From within PCB, enter
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> :ExecuteFile(board.cmd)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to update the pin names of all footprints.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> First it does not tally with the description given in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> tutorial - I am using the one that comes with Ubuntu.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Second, when I run pcb board.pcb I get only the transistor and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the resistor on the screen with a yellow line leading nowhere. Should'nt I
>>>>>>>>>>>>> get both one.sch and two.sch? If I folllow the instructions above I add the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> one.sch to the screen all bundled up. Both one.sch and two.sch appear to be
>>>>>>>>>>>>> OK.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> As I say, I am confused.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> best ergards
>>>>>>>>>>>>> torben
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 26, 2018 at 3:46 PM Torben Friis <
>>>>>>>>>>>>> friistf AT gmail DOT com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It worked.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 26, 2018 at 3:26 PM Chad Parker (
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> parker DOT charles AT gmail DOT com) [via geda-help AT delorie DOT com] <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> geda-help AT delorie DOT com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Torben-
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Welcome to the community! Please feel free to post any
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> questions you may have.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think the issue is that the CONNECTOR is no longer an m4
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> element, so, it's not generating it the way the tutorial thinks it should.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Looking through the pcb element footprints, there is,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> however, a footprint "CONNECTOR 1 2". I suspect that will serve for your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> purposes. Please try changing "CONNECTOR 2 1" --> "CONNECTOR 1 2" and see
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if that fixes it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --Chad
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 26, 2018 at 7:00 AM Torben Friis (
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> friistf AT gmail DOT com) [via geda-help AT delorie DOT com] <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> geda-help AT delorie DOT com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is my first attempt at using geda-help.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When in the Bill Wilson gEDA tutorial I use:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gsch2pcb project
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I get the following message in the log:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CONN202: can't find PCB element for footprint CONNECTOR-2-1
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (value=unknown).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So device CONN202 will not be in the layout.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The attributes of the connector are.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> device: BNC
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> footprint: CONNECTOR 2 1
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> refdes: CONN202
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think that I have followed the instructions, so what is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrong?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> best regards
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> torben
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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t-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">Hi,<br>I am still not =
quite sure what to do. I have created the file:<br><br>torben AT torben-Aspire=
-E5-773G:/usr/share/gEDA$ ls /home/.gEDA/gafrc<br>/home/.gEDA/gafrc<br><br>=
torben AT torben-Aspire-E5-773G:/usr/share/gEDA$ cat /home/.gEDA/gafrc<br>(com=
ponent-library-search "../gschem-sym")<br>I have version GSCHEM 1=
.8.2.<br><br>I suppose that I have to fill the files "gaf/gschem-sym/&=
quot; and "gaf/pcb-elements/packages/".<br><br>I have found a fil=
e (CVS Access):<br><br>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0 PCB "~geda" library<br><br>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 01005 - Stan=
dard SMT resistor, capacitor etc<br>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0201 - Standard SMT =
resistor, capacitor etc<br>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0402 - Standard SMT resistor,=
capacitor etc<br>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0603 - Standard SMT resistor, capacito=
r etc<br>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0805 - Standard SMT resistor, capacitor etc<br>=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 1008 - Standard SMT resistor, capacitor etc<br>=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0 1206 - Standard SMT resistor, capacitor etc<br>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
1210 - Standard SMT resistor, capacitor etc<br>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 1806 - S=
tandard SMT resistor, capacitor etc<br>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 1806 - Standard S=
MT resistor, capacitor etc<br>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 1825 - Standard SMT resist=
or, capacitor etc<br>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 2706 - Standard SMT resistor, capac=
itor etc<br>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 ACY1000 - Axial non-polar component (typical=
ly resistor or capacitor),<br>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 ACY1000P - Axial polar com=
ponent (typically capacitor), <br>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 .<br>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0 .<br>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 .<br><br>If that is indeed the PCB-elements fil=
e, where do I find the corresponding symbols file?<br>best regards<br>torbe=
n<br><br></div></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" =
class=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu, Jan 10, 2019 at 2:49 PM Chad Parker (<a href=
=3D"mailto:parker DOT charles AT gmail DOT com">parker DOT charles AT gmail DOT com</a>) [via <a =
href=3D"mailto:geda-help AT delorie DOT com">geda-help AT delorie DOT com</a>] <<a hre=
f=3D"mailto:geda-help AT delorie DOT com">geda-help AT delorie DOT com</a>> wrote:<br>=
</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;b=
order-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><d=
iv dir=3D"ltr"><div>Torben-</div><div><br></div><div>Look under the "S=
etup" section of the tutorial where he talks about setting up a projec=
t directory structure. <br></div><div><br></div><div><a href=3D"http://wiki=
.geda-project.org/geda:gsch2pcb_tutorial#setup" target=3D"_blank">http://wi=
ki.geda-project.org/geda:gsch2pcb_tutorial#setup</a></div><div><br></div><d=
iv>"in each project directory (like myproject1 and myproject2) there c=
ould be a <strong>gafrc</strong> file..."</div><div><br></div><div>--C=
had<br></div></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr">On=
Thu, Jan 10, 2019 at 4:14 AM Torben Friis (<a href=3D"mailto:friistf AT gmail=
.com" target=3D"_blank">friistf AT gmail DOT com</a>) [via <a href=3D"mailto:geda-=
help AT delorie DOT com" target=3D"_blank">geda-help AT delorie DOT com</a>] <<a href=
=3D"mailto:geda-help AT delorie DOT com" target=3D"_blank">geda-help AT delorie DOT com</=
a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0p=
x 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><d=
iv dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-=
family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">Hi Chad,</div><div class=
=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-siz=
e:large">Before I got your reply I had prepared the following:</div><div cl=
ass=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-=
size:large">I might add that I have added "picaxe" to /usr/share/=
gEDA/sym/ with the following 3 symbols:</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" s=
tyle=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large"><br></div><=
div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif=
;font-size:large">SIP3.fp</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-f=
amily:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">SIP4.fp</div><div class=
=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-siz=
e:large">SO8W.fp</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:ari=
al,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_defa=
ult" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">but p=
icaxe does not show up under Library.</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" sty=
le=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large"><br></div><di=
v class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;f=
ont-size:large">I have followed BW's tutorial, but I do not have a gafr=
c file. How do I get that?<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"f=
ont-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">torben<br></div></di=
v></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr">On Wed, Jan 9, 2019=
at 1:43 PM Torben Friis <<a href=3D"mailto:friistf AT gmail DOT com" target=3D=
"_blank">friistf AT gmail DOT com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gma=
il_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,2=
04,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"g=
mail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:lar=
ge">Hi Chad,<br>In gschem I only have "library" to chose symbols =
from. I wanted more - fx. newlib. How do I get it?<br><br>I have used the i=
nstructions in:<br><br><a href=3D"http://www.gedasymbols.org/cvs.html" targ=
et=3D"_blank">http://www.gedasymbols.org/cvs.html</a><br><br>to place the f=
ollowing:<br><br>torben AT torben-Aspire-E5-773G: ls /home/geda<br>CVS=C2=A0 C=
VSROOT=C2=A0 scripts=C2=A0 www<br><br>where /home/geda was an empty directo=
ry.<br><br>torben AT torben-Aspire-E5-773G:/home/geda/scripts$ ls<br>2pad.cgi=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 dilpad.cgi=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 footprint.pcb=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 reindex<br><a href=3D"http://cgi-lib.pl" target=3D"_blan=
k">cgi-lib.pl</a>=C2=A0 eps2png=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0 global_list.cgi=C2=A0 search.cgi<br>csv.cgi=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =
footprint.cgi=C2=A0=C2=A0 make-fp-library=C2=A0 symbol.cgi<br>CVS=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 footprint.html=C2=A0 <a href=3D"htt=
p://math.pl" target=3D"_blank">math.pl</a>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 symbol.html<br><br>Can I get from this to a more comp=
rehensive list of symbols in gschem? I am stuck.<br>best regards<br>torben<=
br><br></div></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr">On=
Thu, Jan 3, 2019 at 7:58 PM Torben Friis <<a href=3D"mailto:friistf AT gma=
il.com" target=3D"_blank">friistf AT gmail DOT com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockq=
uote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1p=
x solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"g=
mail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:lar=
ge">Hi Chad,</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,h=
elvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">OK. I will try again.</div><div class=
=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-siz=
e:large">torben<br></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"l=
tr">On Thu, Jan 3, 2019 at 3:45 PM Chad Parker (<a href=3D"mailto:parker.ch=
arles AT gmail DOT com" target=3D"_blank">parker DOT charles AT gmail DOT com</a>) [via <a hr=
ef=3D"mailto:geda-help AT delorie DOT com" target=3D"_blank">geda-help AT delorie DOT com=
</a>] <<a href=3D"mailto:geda-help AT delorie DOT com" target=3D"_blank">geda-h=
elp AT delorie DOT com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" s=
tyle=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);pad=
ding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Torben-</div><div><br></div><div>The s=
quare terminal generally indicates "pin 1" of the device. This is=
done so that when you're installing the components, you know the prope=
r orientation. For some parts this is important, like for the opamps in the=
design. For other parts, like the resistors, it doesn't matter, they c=
an go either way.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Part of the fun of building =
a circuit board is figuring out where to place the components and how to co=
nnect them, kind of like a puzzle, but with no one answer. You can place th=
em however you like. Many people use a strategy where you try to place the =
parts such that you minimize the lengths of the traces connecting those par=
ts. You could also arrange them in a pattern to resemble a bug, or a star, =
or anything you find aesthetically pleasing. In most cases (i.e. not radio =
frequency or high speed (>10s of MHz) digital electronics), the exact pl=
acement of parts doesn't matter.<br></div><div><br></div><div>--Chad<br=
></div><div><br></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr"=
>On Thu, Jan 3, 2019 at 9:32 AM Torben Friis (<a href=3D"mailto:friistf AT gma=
il.com" target=3D"_blank">friistf AT gmail DOT com</a>) [via <a href=3D"mailto:ged=
a-help AT delorie DOT com" target=3D"_blank">geda-help AT delorie DOT com</a>] <<a hre=
f=3D"mailto:geda-help AT delorie DOT com" target=3D"_blank">geda-help AT delorie DOT com<=
/a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0=
px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><=
div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,hel=
vetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">Hi Chad,</div><div class=3D"gmail_defaul=
t" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">Should =
I place R101, R102 and R103 together? And if I do, should'nt R103 have =
round terminal points at both ends? I assume that the square ones are to be=
connected to the GND.</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-fami=
ly:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">I am not an electronics expe=
rt.<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvet=
ica,sans-serif;font-size:large">torben<br></div></div><br><div class=3D"gma=
il_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr">On Thu, Jan 3, 2019 at 2:13 PM Chad Parker (<a h=
ref=3D"mailto:parker DOT charles AT gmail DOT com" target=3D"_blank">parker DOT charles AT gm=
ail.com</a>) [via <a href=3D"mailto:geda-help AT delorie DOT com" target=3D"_blank=
">geda-help AT delorie DOT com</a>] <<a href=3D"mailto:geda-help AT delorie DOT com" t=
arget=3D"_blank">geda-help AT delorie DOT com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote =
class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px sol=
id rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Torben-</div><d=
iv><br></div><div>Okay, I see what you're referring to. This is a bug i=
n the tutorial. It looks to me like the first set of figures were created w=
ith an older version of PCB and the other set with a newer one and a later =
date. What likely happened is that the same circuit was used, but the schem=
atic was redrawn when the new figures were added, and because the parts wou=
ld have been arranged differently, the reference designators ended up chang=
ing. The underlying circuit appears to be the same, just the names of the p=
arts have been swapped. You can even see that the footprint of R101 is diff=
erent.</div><div><br></div><div>Ultimately, the rat lines on your pcb shoul=
d be consistent with the connections you made in the schematic. So, as long=
as you connect your parts accordingly, you should be fine.<br></div><div><=
br></div><div>Thanks for pointing this out. We should fix it so that it'=
;s consistent.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Thanks,</div><div>--Chad<br></d=
iv></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr">On Wed, Jan 2, 201=
9 at 5:36 PM Torben Friis (<a href=3D"mailto:friistf AT gmail DOT com" target=3D"_=
blank">friistf AT gmail DOT com</a>) [via <a href=3D"mailto:geda-help AT delorie DOT com"=
target=3D"_blank">geda-help AT delorie DOT com</a>] <<a href=3D"mailto:geda-he=
lp AT delorie DOT com" target=3D"_blank">geda-help AT delorie DOT com</a>> wrote:<br><=
/div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;bo=
rder-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><di=
v class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;f=
ont-size:large">Hi Chad,</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-fa=
mily:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">The link is:</div><div cla=
ss=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-s=
ize:large"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:aria=
l,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large"><a href=3D"http://wiki.geda-project=
.org/geda:gsch2pcb_tutorial" target=3D"_blank">http://wiki.geda-project.org=
/geda:gsch2pcb_tutorial</a></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font=
-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">best regards</div><div =
class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;fon=
t-size:large">torben<br></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=
=3D"ltr">On Wed, Jan 2, 2019 at 10:55 PM Chad Parker (<a href=3D"mailto:par=
ker DOT charles AT gmail DOT com" target=3D"_blank">parker DOT charles AT gmail DOT com</a>) [via=
<a href=3D"mailto:geda-help AT delorie DOT com" target=3D"_blank">geda-help AT delor=
ie.com</a>] <<a href=3D"mailto:geda-help AT delorie DOT com" target=3D"_blank">=
geda-help AT delorie DOT com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_qu=
ote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,20=
4);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Torben-</div><div><br></div><div=
>Are you still working through the Bill Wilson tutorial? If so, I'm not=
sure what you mean by page 6. Can you please provide a link to the tutoria=
l you're referring to?<br></div><div><br></div><div>Thanks,</div><div>-=
-Chad<br></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr">On Wed=
, Jan 2, 2019 at 3:44 PM Torben Friis (<a href=3D"mailto:friistf AT gmail DOT com"=
target=3D"_blank">friistf AT gmail DOT com</a>) [via <a href=3D"mailto:geda-help@=
delorie.com" target=3D"_blank">geda-help AT delorie DOT com</a>] <<a href=3D"ma=
ilto:geda-help AT delorie DOT com" target=3D"_blank">geda-help AT delorie DOT com</a>>=
wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px =
0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=
=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,=
sans-serif;font-size:large">Hi Chad,</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" styl=
e=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">I am confused =
by the UBUNTU geda tutorial.</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"fon=
t-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">In the beginning R101,=
R102 and R103 are placed together. On page 6=C2=A0 R102, R201 and R103 are=
placed together in the same place and R102 is placed where R201 was before=
.</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sa=
ns-serif;font-size:large">I have other problems - fx with lines created in =
PCB - but I would take one example to see if the confusion is my problem.</=
div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-=
serif;font-size:large">torben<br></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"=
><div dir=3D"ltr">On Sat, Dec 29, 2018 at 5:10 PM Torben Friis <<a href=
=3D"mailto:friistf AT gmail DOT com" target=3D"_blank">friistf AT gmail DOT com</a>> w=
rote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0p=
x 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=
=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,=
sans-serif;font-size:large">Hi Chad,</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" styl=
e=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">I deleted all =
files except Project, one.sch and two.sch and ran gsch2pcb once - and it wo=
rked.</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetic=
a,sans-serif;font-size:large">torben<br></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail=
_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr">On Wed, Dec 26, 2018 at 11:11 PM Chad Parker (<a h=
ref=3D"mailto:parker DOT charles AT gmail DOT com" target=3D"_blank">parker DOT charles AT gm=
ail.com</a>) [via <a href=3D"mailto:geda-help AT delorie DOT com" target=3D"_blank=
">geda-help AT delorie DOT com</a>] <<a href=3D"mailto:geda-help AT delorie DOT com" t=
arget=3D"_blank">geda-help AT delorie DOT com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote =
class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px sol=
id rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Hi Torben-</div=
><div><br></div><div>The second time you run gsch2pcb it looks at the diffe=
rences. The first time it may not have picked up all of the elements due to=
footprint name errors. The second time (and all subsequent times) you run =
it, it produces board.<i>new</i>.pcb, which contains the new elements, so t=
hat it doesn't overwrite your original file. To get them into the layou=
t, you have to do as it says: open the layout then go to the file menu, sel=
ect "load layout data to paste buffer", and select board.new.pcb.=
Then you can paste them into the layout.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Alte=
rnatively, if you haven't done any work on the pcb yet, you can delete =
board.pcb and board.new.pcb and rerun gsch2pcb.</div><div><br></div><div>Al=
so, make sure that you execute Select > Disperse All Elements, as someti=
mes the elements will overlap when they're brought into the layout.<br>=
</div><div><br></div><div>Cheers,</div><div>--Chad<br></div><div><br></div>=
</div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr">On Wed, Dec 26, 2018 =
at 2:44 PM Torben Friis (<a href=3D"mailto:friistf AT gmail DOT com" target=3D"_bl=
ank">friistf AT gmail DOT com</a>) [via <a href=3D"mailto:geda-help AT delorie DOT com" t=
arget=3D"_blank">geda-help AT delorie DOT com</a>] <<a href=3D"mailto:geda-help=
@delorie.com" target=3D"_blank">geda-help AT delorie DOT com</a>> wrote:<br></d=
iv><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;bord=
er-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div =
dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" =
style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">Hi,</div><=
div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif=
;font-size:large">It is rather confusing. When I run gsch2pcb project I get=
:</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sa=
ns-serif;font-size:large"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"f=
ont-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">--------------------=
--------------<br>Done processing.=C2=A0 Work performed:<br>5 file elements=
and 0 m4 elements added to board.new.pcb.<br><br>Next steps:<br>1.=C2=A0 R=
un pcb on your file board.pcb.<br>2.=C2=A0 From within PCB, select "Fi=
le -> Load layout data to paste buffer"<br>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 and s=
elect board.new.pcb to load the new footprints into your existing layout.<b=
r>3.=C2=A0 From within PCB, select "File -> Load netlist file"=
and select <br>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 <a href=3D"http://board.net" target=3D"_=
blank">board.net</a> to load the updated netlist.<br><br>4.=C2=A0 From with=
in PCB, enter<br><br>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0 :ExecuteFile(board.cmd)<br><br>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 to update the pin =
names of all footprints.</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-fa=
mily:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large"><br></div><div class=3D"gm=
ail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:larg=
e">First it does not tally with the description given in the tutorial - I a=
m using the one that comes with Ubuntu.</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" s=
tyle=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large"><br></div><=
div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif=
;font-size:large">Second, when I run pcb board.pcb I get only the transisto=
r and the resistor on the screen with a yellow line leading nowhere. Should=
'nt I get both one.sch and two.sch? If I folllow the instructions above=
I add the one.sch to the screen all bundled up. Both one.sch and two.sch a=
ppear to be OK.<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:=
arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_d=
efault" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">As=
I say, I am confused.</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-fami=
ly:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">best ergards<br></div><div c=
lass=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font=
-size:large">torben<br></div></div></div></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmai=
l_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr">On Wed, Dec 26, 2018 at 3:46 PM Torben Friis <=
<a href=3D"mailto:friistf AT gmail DOT com" target=3D"_blank">friistf AT gmail DOT com</a=
>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px=
0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><di=
v dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helve=
tica,sans-serif;font-size:large">It worked. <br></div></div><br><div class=
=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr">On Wed, Dec 26, 2018 at 3:26 PM Chad Park=
er (<a href=3D"mailto:parker DOT charles AT gmail DOT com" target=3D"_blank">parker.ch=
arles AT gmail DOT com</a>) [via <a href=3D"mailto:geda-help AT delorie DOT com" target=
=3D"_blank">geda-help AT delorie DOT com</a>] <<a href=3D"mailto:geda-help AT delo=
rie.com" target=3D"_blank">geda-help AT delorie DOT com</a>> wrote:<br></div><b=
lockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-le=
ft:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Hi To=
rben-</div><div><br></div><div>Welcome to the community! Please feel free t=
o post any questions you may have.<br></div><div><br></div><div>I think the=
issue is that the CONNECTOR is no longer an m4 element, so, it's not g=
enerating it the way the tutorial thinks it should. <br></div><div><br></di=
v><div>Looking through the pcb element footprints, there is, however, a foo=
tprint "CONNECTOR 1 2". I suspect that will serve for your purpos=
es. Please try changing "CONNECTOR 2 1" --> "CONNECTOR 1 =
2" and see if that fixes it.</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks,</div><di=
v>--Chad<br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></d=
iv></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr">On Wed, Dec 26, 20=
18 at 7:00 AM Torben Friis (<a href=3D"mailto:friistf AT gmail DOT com" target=3D"=
_blank">friistf AT gmail DOT com</a>) [via <a href=3D"mailto:geda-help AT delorie DOT com=
" target=3D"_blank">geda-help AT delorie DOT com</a>] <<a href=3D"mailto:geda-h=
elp AT delorie DOT com" target=3D"_blank">geda-help AT delorie DOT com</a>> wrote:<br>=
</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;b=
order-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><d=
iv dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helv=
etica,sans-serif;font-size:large">Hi,<br>This is my first attempt at using =
geda-help.<br><br>When in the Bill Wilson gEDA tutorial I use:<br><br>gsch2=
pcb project<br><br>I get the following message in the log:<br><br>CONN202: =
can't find PCB element for footprint CONNECTOR-2-1 (value=3Dunknown).<b=
r>So device CONN202 will not be in the layout.<br><br>The attributes of the=
connector are.<br><br>device: BNC<br>footprint: CONNECTOR 2 1<br>refdes: C=
ONN202<br><br>I think that I have followed the instructions, so what is wro=
ng?<br>best regards<br>torben<br></div></div></div>
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