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Hmmmm,,,"taking the time to get familiar with linux is one of the more
pleasurable things you can do for yourself if you have any interest in
electronics or programming."
And there is nothing as frustrating as running into the typical problems
that you don't have control over and almost impossible to get insight on,
such as:  the build scripts/make files are wrong/incomplete, the target OS
has a different file structure than the embedded assumptions used in the
application, and lets not forget the mismatch of file protection
assumptions made by the OS distro and the app build...., and my favorite,
all the necessary libraries are not specified with the versions that the
distribution app was created with, and in some cases, this information is
almost impossible to find (can you say configuration management?).   Other
than that, it is pure joy....and after one has burned the better part of a
day tracking down all the problems, it is hard to remember that you job was
to drain the swamp when surrounded by alligators.....
Having said that, I have not built PCB from scratch..... perhaps they do it
with better insight/control.
-J



On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 10:52 PM, P. Taylor <phil AT plastitar DOT com> wrote:

>  On 3/31/2014 6:22 PM, Greg Feneis wrote:
>
>
>  So, if gEDA has Distribution packages specifically for Debian or SuSE,
> would it be necessary (or best) for me to ditch the Ubuntu installation and
> start working with a Debian or SuSE installation instead?
>
>
> I run Debian and every year or two I will build a fresher version of
> geda/PCB than is usually packaged by the distribution/repos.  Definitely
> the way to go.  It runs fine and is only moderately more painful than using
> the "built-in" version.  I have had very good luck with geda/pcb on debian,
> and have had absolutely 0 down time or crashes with the software.  I had
> one bug that stopped a project for a few hours til I worked around what
> seemed to me to be a bug, and I had one PCB come back from a fab that
> looked different from the PCB rendering onscreen (but not the gerber
> files).
>
> IRC is oftc.net on #geda ... generally good for quick off the cuff
> questions.  generally busier during the work week as well.
>
> taking the time to get familiar with linux is one of the more pleasurable
> things you can do for yourself if you have any interest in electronics or
> programming.  you will be confronted with a lot of people saying on the
> ubuntu forums (or IRC) "why would you ever build something from source???"
> whereas on the debian support lists, irc, etc ... you'll get quite a more
> sympathetic ear.
>
> The PCB/geda developers have made the software very stable and
> out-of-the-box reliable for doing good high precision work.
>
> Phil
>

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div><div>Hmmmm,,,&quot;taking the time to get famili=
ar with linux is one of the more
    pleasurable things you can do for yourself if you have any interest
    in electronics or programming.&quot;<br></div>And there is nothing as f=
rustrating as running into the typical problems that you don&#39;t have con=
trol over and almost impossible to get insight on, such as:=A0 the build sc=
ripts/make files are wrong/incomplete, the target OS has a different file s=
tructure than the embedded assumptions used in the application, and lets no=
t forget the mismatch of file protection assumptions made by the OS distro =
and the app build...., and my favorite, all the necessary libraries are not=
 specified with the versions that the distribution app was created with, an=
d in some cases, this information is almost impossible to find (can you say=
 configuration management?). =A0 Other than that, it is pure joy....and aft=
er one has burned the better part of a day tracking down all the problems, =
it is hard to remember that you job was to drain the swamp when surrounded =
by alligators..... <br>
</div>Having said that, I have not built PCB from scratch..... perhaps they=
 do it with better insight/control.=A0 <br></div>-J<br><br></div><div class=
=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at=
 10:52 PM, P. Taylor <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:phil AT plastitar=
.com" target=3D"_blank">phil AT plastitar DOT com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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   =20
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  <div bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF" text=3D"#000000">
    <div>On 3/31/2014 6:22 PM, Greg Feneis
      wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote type=3D"cite">
      <div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">=
<br>
      </div>
      <div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">=
So,

        if gEDA has Distribution packages specifically for Debian or
        SuSE, would it be necessary (or best) for me to ditch the Ubuntu
        installation and start working with a Debian or SuSE
        installation instead?=A0 </div>
    </blockquote>
    <br>
    I run Debian and every year or two I will build a fresher version of
    geda/PCB than is usually packaged by the distribution/repos.=A0
    Definitely the way to go.=A0 It runs fine and is only moderately more
    painful than using the &quot;built-in&quot; version.=A0 I have had very=
 good
    luck with geda/pcb on debian, and have had absolutely 0 down time or
    crashes with the software.=A0 I had one bug that stopped a project for
    a few hours til I worked around what seemed to me to be a bug, and I
    had one PCB come back from a fab that looked different from the PCB
    rendering onscreen (but not the gerber files).=A0 <br>
    <br>
    IRC is <a href=3D"http://oftc.net" target=3D"_blank">oftc.net</a> on #g=
eda ... generally good for quick off the cuff
    questions.=A0 generally busier during the work week as well.<br>
    <br>
    taking the time to get familiar with linux is one of the more
    pleasurable things you can do for yourself if you have any interest
    in electronics or programming.=A0 you will be confronted with a lot of
    people saying on the ubuntu forums (or IRC) &quot;why would you ever
    build something from source???&quot; whereas on the debian support list=
s,
    irc, etc ... you&#39;ll get quite a more sympathetic ear.<br>
    <br>
    The PCB/geda developers have made the software very stable and
    out-of-the-box reliable for doing good high precision work.<br>
    <br>
    Phil<br>
  </div>

</blockquote></div><br></div>

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