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> Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 13:14:53 -0400
> From: DJ Delorie <dj AT delorie DOT com>
> 
> > Sorry, I don't follow.  Are you talking about the situation where
> > "-nostdinc" is used, like we do in the library build?  If so, I think
> > only the headers from the explicitly mentioned -I directories are
> > included, and if so, the order of the directories mentioned on the
> > command line using -I is what determines which headers are included
> > first.  Isn't that true?
> 
> I think they're talking about the fact that gcc will internally add
> -I's for its own headers dir, ahead of the system headers dir.

Is that true even with -nostdinc?

> Since this is the default behavior, this is what users will see when
> using djgpp, so that's the case we need to fix.  If we do something
> different on the command lines in djgpp's libc makefiles to build the
> djgpp library, we're just covering up the problem without fixing it.
> (note: this may still be the right way to build libc, but only if
> there are other reasons to do so)

Yes, I agree.  So if we no longer have a reason to include GCC's
headers while building the library, we should remove that inclusion
from makefile.inc, I think.

> This is an old problem with djgpp, we've been doing it "the djgpp way"
> pretty much since the beginning, since we *also* wanted to be
> compatible with Borland C, and the GCC headers weren't.  We've even
> argued with upstream about which way is right.

Yep, the "NULL is zero" issue comes to mind.

> Sometimes the gcc headers will #include_next the system headers, but
> even then, they often do it at the beginning of the header so they can
> "fix" bugs in the system header.  We (and apparently mingw ;) would
> prefer they #include_next at the end of the header, so we can fix bugs
> in the gcc headers.  IIRC we used to revisit this problem with every
> gcc release, to see if there was a better way yet.

It's AFAIK the job of a platform maintainer for GCC, but I'm no longer
sure what exactly is the status of DJGPP support in GCC.  Do they
consider us a dead platform?  Debug info has been semi-broken for
years.

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