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| Date: | Wed, 16 Feb 2011 15:22:53 -0800 (PST)
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| From: | Pablo Marty <tigrepotrazosalvaje AT yahoo DOT com DOT ar>
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| Subject: | Re: VIRTUAL BOX and my GAME - Mr Rod Pemberton
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hi Mr Rugxulo
I suppose we all know DJGPP will never die ; I also suppose I have to impro=
ve my vocabulary cos I understood just a little of what you wrote, and all =
of you, always .... I should read booksin English=A0with a dictionary or go=
ogle beside me
Actually, there is a very nice videogame about SuperMarioBros done by a gre=
at tiger with DJGPP that runs fast with almost all Windows XP but with no m=
usic
I also suppose that if you upload somewhere the game, DJGPP members=A0could=
run it and appreciate it, and then will be happier to help me to run it wi=
th music sounding correctly under FreeDOS, or whatever DOS is thereby
thank you
Pablito
Asesinar y comer un perro o un gato es lo mismo q hacerlo a una vaca, un po=
llo, un cerdo o un pez. El genocidio no discrimina. No seas complice de gen=
ocidas. No seas genocida. En la vida tarde o temprano todo vuelve. No comas=
cadaveres. No seas necr=F3fago.=20
--- El mi=E9 16-feb-11, Rugxulo <rugxulo AT gmail DOT com> escribi=F3:
De: Rugxulo <rugxulo AT gmail DOT com>
Asunto: Re: VIRTUAL BOX and my GAME - Mr Rod Pemberton
Para: djgpp AT delorie DOT com
Fecha: mi=E9rcoles, 16 de febrero de 2011, 21:40
Hi,
On Feb 8, 8:45=A0am, "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_h DOT DOT DOT AT notreplytome DOT cmm>
wrote:
>
> DJGPP is not being used to code DOS, e.g., FreeDOS or DR-DOS. =A0
It can't compile the kernels because they are 16-bit (e.g. compact
model for FreeDOS, they use OpenWatcom). GNU never cared for 16-bit
and none of the other efforts ever amounted to anything. (BCC/Dev86
for ELKS only supports tiny and small. Not sure what ACK 16-bit can
target, probably similar.)
> It was being used to code FreeDOS-32, but that's been stalled for 6 years=
now.
Not dead, just very slow. A developer left, license issues, leanfs*
file release a year ago, but no new OS release since 2005. Nice hack,
fairly incomplete, has its own DPMI server, didn't run a lot of stuff,
0.0.6 only mentioned (and unreleased) on mailing list. It's a cool
hack but not a solution.
> AFAIK, it's not being used to code new OSes, or any major applications. =
=A0
Several projects still use (or at least target) it with official
binary builds:=A0 NASM, YASM, UPX, RAINE, Hammer of Thyrion, Regina,
Agena, dos2unix, 4tH, Atari800, FreeBASIC (libc, tools), FreePascal
(tools), Mined, BEYE, VILE, VIM, etc.
And that's only official stuff, there's plenty more you can build
yourself. But yeah, not many people intentionally target it anymore.
> DJGPP hasn't progressed in the 6 or 7 years that I've been reading here.
CVS had some updates, just no releases. As Charles mentioned, nobody
in charge wanted it badly enough. The last CVS snapshot on Martin's
page is from last June (though I never tried rebuilding it).
BTW, Charles was extremely nice enough to release CWSDPMI r7. And Eli
did work on Emacs and GDB. And DJ still hosts everything and updates
the mini-FAQ. Juan has ported a lot of stuff. And Andris keeps
bringing us newer and newer GCCs. So it's not like nothing gets done.
> The handful of serious users of DJGPP stopped posting 3 to 4 years ago. =
=A0I'd
> guess that most moved on. =A0For all practical purposes, DJGPP is dead.
More like "good enough for most people" with no huge amount of
volunteers to update further. Face it, without decent support via
NTVDM, a lot of people aren't going to use it (sad but true).
> That's still in Beta. =A07 years of Beta... =A0No demand? =A0It has yet t=
o find
> another OS to give it purpose, or something to give it life, like a DOS
> shell for Windows 7.
There have been several hacks that deal with hybrid targets, e.g. dual
DOS / Win32 or even DOS / ELF. I'm sure you're aware of most of them.
The problem is that most are abandoned, buggy, or incomplete.
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<table cellspacing=3D"0" cellpadding=3D"0" border=3D"0" ><tr><td valign=3D"=
top" style=3D"font: inherit;"><DIV>hi Mr Rugxulo</DIV>
<DIV>I suppose we all know DJGPP will never die ; I also suppose I have to =
improve my vocabulary cos I understood just a little of what you wrote, and=
all of you, always .... I should read booksin English with a dictiona=
ry or google beside me</DIV>
<DIV>Actually, there is a very nice videogame about SuperMarioBros done by =
a great tiger with DJGPP that runs fast with almost all Windows XP but with=
no music</DIV>
<DIV>I also suppose that if you upload somewhere the game, DJGPP members&nb=
sp;could run it and appreciate it, and then will be happier to help me to r=
un it with music sounding correctly under FreeDOS, or whatever DOS is there=
by</DIV>
<DIV>thank you</DIV>
<DIV>Pablito<BR><BR><FONT style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #8000ff" face=3D"arial=
, helvetica, sans-serif"><FONT color=3D#ffff00>Asesinar y comer un perro o =
un gato es lo mismo q hacerlo a una vaca, un pollo, un cerdo o un pez. El g=
enocidio no discrimina. No seas complice de genocidas. No seas genocida. En=
la vida tarde o temprano todo vuelve. No comas cadaveres. No seas necr=F3f=
ago.</FONT> </FONT><BR><BR>--- El <B>mi=E9 16-feb-11, Rugxulo <I><rugxul=
o AT gmail DOT com></I></B> escribi=F3:<BR></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 5=
px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px"><BR>De: Rugxulo <rugxulo AT gmail DOT com><BR>Asunto: =
Re: VIRTUAL BOX and my GAME - Mr Rod Pemberton<BR>Para: djgpp AT delorie DOT com<B=
R>Fecha: mi=E9rcoles, 16 de febrero de 2011, 21:40<BR><BR>
<DIV class=3DplainMail>Hi,<BR><BR>On Feb 8, 8:45 am, "Rod Pemberton" &=
lt;<A href=3D"http://ar.mc451.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=3Ddo_not_h DOT DOT DOT AT no=
treplytome.cmm" ymailto=3D"mailto:do_not_h DOT DOT DOT AT notreplytome DOT cmm">do_not_h...=
@notreplytome.cmm</A>><BR>wrote:<BR>><BR>> DJGPP is not being used=
to code DOS, e.g., FreeDOS or DR-DOS. <BR><BR>It can't compile the k=
ernels because they are 16-bit (e.g. compact<BR>model for FreeDOS, they use=
OpenWatcom). GNU never cared for 16-bit<BR>and none of the other efforts e=
ver amounted to anything. (BCC/Dev86<BR>for ELKS only supports tiny and sma=
ll. Not sure what ACK 16-bit can<BR>target, probably similar.)<BR><BR>> =
It was being used to code FreeDOS-32, but that's been stalled for 6 years n=
ow.<BR><BR>Not dead, just very slow. A developer left, license issues, lean=
fs*<BR>file release a year ago, but no new OS release since 2005. Nice hack=
,<BR>fairly incomplete, has its own DPMI server, didn't run a lot of
stuff,<BR>0.0.6 only mentioned (and unreleased) on mailing list. It's a co=
ol<BR>hack but not a solution.<BR><BR>> AFAIK, it's not being used to co=
de new OSes, or any major applications. <BR><BR>Several projects stil=
l use (or at least target) it with official<BR>binary builds: NASM, Y=
ASM, UPX, RAINE, Hammer of Thyrion, Regina,<BR>Agena, dos2unix, 4tH, Atari8=
00, FreeBASIC (libc, tools), FreePascal<BR>(tools), Mined, BEYE, VILE, VIM,=
etc.<BR><BR>And that's only official stuff, there's plenty more you can bu=
ild<BR>yourself. But yeah, not many people intentionally target it anymore.=
<BR><BR>> DJGPP hasn't progressed in the 6 or 7 years that I've been rea=
ding here.<BR><BR>CVS had some updates, just no releases. As Charles mentio=
ned, nobody<BR>in charge wanted it badly enough. The last CVS snapshot on M=
artin's<BR>page is from last June (though I never tried rebuilding it).<BR>=
<BR>BTW, Charles was extremely nice enough to release CWSDPMI r7.
And Eli<BR>did work on Emacs and GDB. And DJ still hosts everything and up=
dates<BR>the mini-FAQ. Juan has ported a lot of stuff. And Andris keeps<BR>=
bringing us newer and newer GCCs. So it's not like nothing gets done.<BR><B=
R>> The handful of serious users of DJGPP stopped posting 3 to 4 years a=
go. I'd<BR>> guess that most moved on. For all practical pur=
poses, DJGPP is dead.<BR><BR>More like "good enough for most people" with n=
o huge amount of<BR>volunteers to update further. Face it, without decent s=
upport via<BR>NTVDM, a lot of people aren't going to use it (sad but true).=
<BR><BR>> That's still in Beta. 7 years of Beta... No demand=
? It has yet to find<BR>> another OS to give it purpose, or someth=
ing to give it life, like a DOS<BR>> shell for Windows 7.<BR><BR>There h=
ave been several hacks that deal with hybrid targets, e.g. dual<BR>DOS / Wi=
n32 or even DOS / ELF. I'm sure you're aware of most of them.<BR>The
problem is that most are abandoned, buggy, or incomplete.<BR></DIV></BLOCK=
QUOTE></td></tr></table><br>=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A
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